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baucus plan is a *disgrace*...
    #11077928 - 09/17/09 04:17 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

the link says it all ..baucus is a tool for the corporate lobbyists..with designs on "fixing" healthcare by shoveling $900 billion of the taxpayers money to his campaign sponsors..the insurance and big pharma companies...it also tragically shows that 6 blue dogs are the same as a half-dozen repugs ..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090917/ap_on_go_co/us_health_overhaul_industry_reprieve

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New health proposal is industry's favorite so far
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, Associated Press Writer Julie Hirschfeld Davis, Associated Press Writer Thu Sep 17, 6:43 am ET

WASHINGTON – The latest health overhaul plan circulating on Capitol Hill gives health insurers, drug makers and large employers reasons to heave sighs of relief, sparing them the higher costs and more burdensome rules included in other Democratic-written alternatives.

Industry players that have already struck bargains with President Barack Obama's administration and leading Democrats to help pay for revamping the health system saw most of those deals left intact — and in some cases sweetened — in the $856 billion proposal unveiled Wednesday by Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the Finance Committee chairman.

You won't hear any of them cheering publicly about what they would get out of the measure, because many are still hoping for a better deal before Congress takes final action on revamping the health care system. But don't expect to hear them coming out in opposition, since they know Baucus' plan is the lesser of many evils being considered.

Take the health insurance industry.

It would score a new, taxpayer-subsidized customer base of millions who don't currently have insurance, thanks to a mandate that everyone purchase coverage — backed up by steep penalties on people who don't. And it wouldn't have to compete with the government to cover people, unlike in the four other health overhaul plans approved this year by Democratic-dominated congressional committees.

Nor would the nonprofit so-called "co-ops" designed to provide consumers with an alternative to private health insurance pose any real threat to their business, according to a nonpartisan analysis released Wednesday. The Congressional Budget Office said those plans "seem unlikely to establish a significant market presence in many areas of the country or to noticeably affect federal subsidy payments."

Insurers would also take a smaller hit to the payments they get for offering private plans under Medicare — some $110 to $120 billion, estimated one industry source, compared with the $175 billion that Obama initially proposed this year.

In exchange, insurers had already agreed to stop denying coverage to people with serious health conditions and help cover the cost of the transition to the new system. They're still fighting hard against two other aspects of the measure that would slice into their potential profits: a new 35 percent excise tax on high-cost plans and $60 billion in fees, both of which insurers warn would be passed on to consumers.

"We have some significant concerns, particularly the new taxes that are going to make health insurance less affordable," said Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America's Health Insurance Plans. He rejected the notion put forth by many liberal and labor groups that the measure amounts to a gift to private insurers, arguing that the companies are covering more than one-quarter of its pricetag, a level disproportionate with the industry's share of health care costs.

But health insurance stocks jumped Wednesday at the news of Baucus' public option-free measure. And privately, industry lobbyists acknowledged that the plan is far more to their liking than any of the other measures currently under discussion, and expressed confidence that it would improve further as senators and Obama's team continued to haggle over its details as it approaches a Senate vote.

Meanwhile progressives called the measure an industry giveaway — "like a dream come true" for insurers, said Justin Ruben of MoveOn.org — and labor leaders said Baucus had compromised too much and produced a bill that would force people to buy health coverage they couldn't afford.

"We think the plan the way it is structured incentivizes employers to offer bare-bones plans," said Chuck Loveless, the legislative director of the American Federation of State County and Municipal Employees. As for the co-ops, he said they were "designed to fail, and it's a great boondoggle for the insurance companies. We don't think it's going to increase competition or bring down costs."

Big employers would dodge what many of them considered the most costly bullet among Democrats' health care proposals — a mandate to offer health insurance — although they would have to pay a modest fee if the government ended up subsidizing employees' coverage.

The Business Roundtable, which represents corporate executives, cheered Baucus' proposal in a statement from Eastman Kodak CEO Antonio M. Perez that called it "bold" and "a step in the right direction."

Drug makers who had previously cut a deal with Obama and Baucus to kick in $80 billion to help pay for the overhaul would see that agreement preserved, while rival proposals in the House that would force them to cover more drug costs for elderly people would cost them considerably more, as much as $140 billion.

The Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, which plans to spend tens of millions on an ad campaign promoting a health overhaul, stayed relatively quiet, issuing only a brief statement that said it was reviewing Baucus' plan.

Ken Johnson, PhRMA's spokesman, said the industry would "continue to be a constructive partner" in the effort to enact health reforms.

Some businesses would see increased costs under Baucus' plan, and they were pushing hard to avoid them. Medical device makers would have to pay fees amounting to $40 billion while clinical laboratories would pay $7.5 billion.




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Re: baucus plan is a *disgrace*... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #11078108 - 09/17/09 04:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The Democrats are a tool of the trial lawyers and unions!

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Re: baucus plan is a *disgrace*... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #11078416 - 09/17/09 05:25 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Hey sweetie-pie......

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baucus is a *disgrace*




Fixed it for you.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: baucus plan is a *disgrace*... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #11078678 - 09/17/09 06:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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baucus is a *disgrace*




as are all blue dogs...

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Re: baucus plan is a *disgrace*... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #11078871 - 09/17/09 06:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

don't worry, the crapus bill will be merged with the harkin/kennedy bill, and shumer's; and then in reconcillation some form of public option will be included.


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Re: baucus plan is a *disgrace*... [Re: Taco Chef]
    #11079062 - 09/17/09 07:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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novumorganum said:
don't worry, the crapus bill will be merged with the harkin/kennedy bill, and shumer's; and then in reconcillation some form of public option will be included.





uuuuuhhhh is that the plan? and will it pass?


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We have "reckless fiscal policies"

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Re: baucus plan is a *disgrace*... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #11079551 - 09/17/09 08:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Annapurna1 said:
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baucus is a *disgrace*




as are all blue dogs...




I was thinking more along the lines of politicians in general, social program liberals more specifically.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: baucus plan is a *disgrace*... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #11080545 - 09/17/09 10:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Annapurna1 said:
with designs on "fixing" healthcare by shoveling $900 billion of the taxpayers money to his campaign sponsors..the insurance and big pharma companies...





RACIST!

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Re: baucus plan is a *disgrace*... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11081258 - 09/18/09 12:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

jesus fucking christ...

It would score a new, taxpayer-subsidized customer base of millions who don't currently have insurance, thanks to a mandate that everyone purchase coverage — backed up by steep penalties on people who don't. And it wouldn't have to compete with the government to cover people, unlike in the four other health overhaul plans approved this year by Democratic-dominated congressional committees.

Nor would the nonprofit so-called "co-ops" designed to provide consumers with an alternative to private health insurance pose any real threat to their business, according to a nonpartisan analysis released Wednesday. The Congressional Budget Office said those plans "seem unlikely to establish a significant market presence in many areas of the country or to noticeably affect federal subsidy payments."

Insurers would also take a smaller hit to the payments they get for offering private plans under Medicare — some $110 to $120 billion, estimated one industry source, compared with the $175 billion that Obama initially proposed this year.  ----YES! MAKE THAT GOVERNMENT OPTION LUCRATIVE FOR US!

so fucking stupid.

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Re: baucus plan is a *disgrace*... [Re: lonestar2004]
    #11084348 - 09/18/09 03:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

yup. its playing out like i posted in july before the recess. the bacus bill at this point is just so he can try to justify himself to the the insurance industry lobbyists.

the public plan is already in the house bill, and the senate bill will have exchanges and pre-existing language; the final bill will be  produced in the reconcillation process


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Re: baucus plan is a *disgrace*... [Re: Taco Chef]
    #11087372 - 09/19/09 05:50 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The Innovation Tax
How Max Baucus knifed the medical devices industry.

Supposedly the Senate’s version of ObamaCare was written by Finance Chairman Max Baucus, but we’re beginning to wonder if the true authors were Abbott and Costello. The vaudeville logic of the plan is that Congress will tax health care to subsidize people to buy health care that new taxes and regulation make more expensive.

Look no further than the $40 billion "fee" that Mr. Baucus wants to impose on medical devices and diagnostic equipment. Device manufacturers would pay $4 billion a year in excise taxes, divvied up among them based on U.S. sales. This translates to an annual income tax surcharge anywhere from 10% to 30%, depending on the corporation.

Why $40 billion? No reason in particular, except that Mr. Baucus needs to finance nearly $900 billion in new spending and so he'll grab anything within arm's reach. While there are some exemptions, such as tongue depressors and eyeglasses, most of the devices tax will fall on hundreds of thousands of products that are basic components of modern medicine. Some are routine—surgical equipment, diabetes testing supplies—while others are cutting-edge technologies, like replacement joints, pacemakers, stents, and MRI and CT scanners.

This new tax will eventually be passed through to patients, increasing health-care costs. It will also harm innovation, taking a big bite out of the research and development that leads to medical advancements. The core of the industry (excluding a few conglomerates like Johnson & Johnson) spent about $9.6 billion on product development in 2007, according to Ernst and Young. The Baucus tax is nearly half that, and also exceeds $3.7 billion, the total venture capital invested in device makers that same year.

Even if consumers will ultimately pay one way or another, this tax also offers an instructive lesson in the perils of industry dealmaking in President Obama's Washington. Convinced by the White House that legislation was inevitable, most of the health-care lobbies decided to negotiate and pay ransoms so Democrats would spare their industries greater harm. Sure enough, the device maker lobby, AdvaMed, was among the "stakeholders" that joined with Mr. Obama in a Rose Garden ceremony in May and pledged to "save" $2 trillion over 10 years to fund his program.

AdvaMed was nothing if not a team player. It endorsed Democratic inspirations like comparative-effectiveness research and value-based purchasing, despite the danger that under such centralized decision-making the government will decide that the most effective and valuable treatments also happen to be the cheapest—rather than those that are best for patients. It also suggested a variety of other taxes that would have resulted in a lower bottom line, much as Big Pharma promised $80 billion in drug discounts and the American Hospital Association agreed to $155 billion in Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement cuts.

But the word on Capitol Hill is that AdvaMed's tribute wasn't handsome enough for Mr. Baucus's tastes. The massive new tax—which wasn't a part of any of his policy blueprints released earlier this year—is in part retaliation. Partly, too, the device makers simply don't have the same political clout as the other big players, making them an easier mark. Old Washington hands are saying the device lobby made a "strategic mistake" by not offering Mr. Baucus more protection money, but the real mistake was trying to buy into the ObamaCare process, instead of trying to defeat its worst ideas outright.

And now it may be too late. As we've argued, liberal Democrats think that merely allowing an industry to continue to exist is a concession, and they're already taking the pharma and hospital concessions and running them higher. In the case of devices, patients will be left with higher costs for fewer life-saving technologies.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204518504574418941379207328.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


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