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How many Australians think the US healthcare system would be better for that country?

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WHO rankings of health care by country
Australia is 5 states above the US in the WHO rankings...
3 if you take out the insignificant varibles represented by costa rica (small) and dominica (a tiny caribbean island near the equator.)

Keep in mind the US is #1 in world GDP, Australia is 14th. Coincidentaly the US has 14 times the amount of $ resources as Australia.

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Chubba said:

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If anything we should try and understand exactly what that is so that we can avoid making the same mistakes.

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Putting large amounts of money into people that should just die, in a nutshell... that is the downfall of the system.

80yo knobs that have had a lifetime of poor health and 100+ surgeries on the taxpayers bill, these are the people that bleed the system dry.

If you want to pay $2000 a day for a 80yo who's so doped up on meds he's not concious to sit in a hospital bed while waiting for his 101st surgery, go ahead...

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Chubba said:

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Do you ever wonder what that 2000 dollars a day goes to pay for?

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Doctors, nurses, supplies and the hospital in general (with the bureaucracy added on top).

People just need to die, public healthcare can not function with EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN of the country going out in a blazing multiple year stint of intensive healthcare.

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It really doesn't though, it goes to pay for unnecessary bullshit. Doctors flying out of state to conferences, insanely expensive office equipment, 20,000 dollar copy machines 5 or 6 people doing the job of one person because having that many people working under you as a supervisor makes your position seem more important than it really is. Motherfuckers eating catered lunch every day, working 4 hours a day 2 or 3 days a week, charging dry cleaning as a work expense. New laptops every 6 months... and on and on and on. It's fucking insanity. I once had to order 10,000 condoms stamped with the health care center logo at a cost of .50 each just because there was a little money that need to be spent at the end of the year. I was a bullshit number pusher, and I was sitting at a 5000 dollar desk while making only a few more dollars an hour than minimum wage.



Read my angry disjointed rant here for further confusion.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11044334#11044334

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you do realize it costs our insurance companies at least 5 times as much to care for the same situation?
Guess how they pay for that? By raising my private insurance costs and copays.

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Chubba said:

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WHO rankings of health care by country
Australia is 5 states above the US in the WHO rankings...
3 if you take out the insignificant varibles represented by costa rica (small) and dominica (a tiny caribbean island near the equator.)

Keep in mind the US is #1 in world GDP, Australia is 14th. Coincidentaly the US has 14 times the amount of $ resources as Australia.

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Since you're mentioning the GDP.

The most popular comparison atm is Queensland to California, check out the GDP of each state. Queensland has a debt of around $70 billion, I believe California is around the same.

THAT is why public healthcare here is doomed to collaspe.

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it goes to pay for unnecessary bullshit

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blewmeanie said:

Knifey Mcstab said:

Like adopting public health care?

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Having profit as a factor in health care ensures that prices will constantly rise, it ensures an excess of unnecessary employees sitting around collecting a paycheck, it motivates insurance companies to maximize there gains through cost benefit analysis and charge more while providing less.

It's not even a matter of health care being a right, it's a matter of whats good for society as a whole.

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I think that removing profit from the health care industry would greatly reduce the overall cost.

It just seems wrong somehow to profit from suffering.

In my opinion there needs to be a complete rethinking of how we stay healthy in America.

I believe that people should have to pass a P.T. test before they get insurance.
Your rates should be based on how well you maintain your body.
I'm not talking about going to the extreme like the military.
But everyone (15-55) should be able to walk ~2-3 miles in an hour.

If you can't get on a treadmill and do that simple task, then you should be charged more for coverage.

Exercise should be a requirement of everyone, starting in school.
I'm not talking about extreme levels of exercise. Just enough to keep you healthy enough to be able to walk a couple of miles in a certain time. Maybe have them keep their BMI index below a certain point. If you can't do these things then you have to pay higher premiums and co-pays.

This puts a lot of a persons level of health directly in their hands.

If you wanna be a fat fucking slob then your gonna have to pay the extra $$$ for that privilege.

For those people that make an effort to stay healthy, they get to pay the least for their premiums and co-pays

blewmeanie said:

it's a sign that Australia is doing something wrong. If anything we should try and understand exactly what that is so that we can avoid making the same mistakes.

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tiny_rabid_birds said:

niteowl, that actually sounds like a solid plan.  but the BMI thing would never fly in america.  you'd have protests over weight discrimination.

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rodfarva said:

In countries that have full public health care funded through government (like france, canada, england etc.) No one makes the argument that a private system should be adopted.

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That would be like saying i think only those who can afford treatment should get it, and if you can't then you should suffer to the extent of your means. Shorter lives, lost limbs, and carrying contagious diseases is what the poor should be subject to.

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Essentially they would save $1000 a year in taxes:

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rodfarva said:

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it goes to pay for unnecessary bullshit

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Including million $ a year salaries for doctors who would make fractions of said amount elsewhere.
And millions in funding billing and insurance administration personnel.

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tiny_rabid_birds said:

it's be stated several times that proposed public healthcare does not extend to illegal residents. 

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and to what are these fines?

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tiny_rabid_birds said:

children of illegal aliens are different from illegal aliens.  supreme court decision in 1898 laid the precedent that anyone born on US soil is afforded the rights of a US citizen.

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umm.. and that article said that Obama is against fines

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