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Rapper goes to prison for song
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Interesting story











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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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Bogus! Wasn't there a song called cop killers by uhmm.. i forgot the name. Pfft. Freedom of expression is a nogo! I haven't watched the article yet, i'll watch it in a sec, i'm listening to your song of the month first :P


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: HappyTrippin]
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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: HappyTrippin]
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Tupac also had songs about religious forgiveness. Doesn't make him a good person either.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: pmb]
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That'd be the song!


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: pmb]
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I hate to say it, but unless someone can talk me out of it, I agree with the cops on this one.  He did specifically mention one cop. 
:shrug:

edit:  I've changed my mind since this post.  I think the guy should be freed. 









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Edited by Learyfan (08/03/09 02:31 PM)

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: pmb]
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yea cop killer was taken off the shelves but my friends dad has the CD the first day it came out


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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I agree, specifically mentioning a person is different than a variety of people.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: HappyTrippin]
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I really would like to hear the song.  I can't find it anywhere.










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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: HappyTrippin]
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he did it too let off some steam not to exploit a cop. hell i don't fucking care he can go to jail, people have been sent to jail for alot less serious things


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Afro]
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True. And they never meant for it to go public. I'm unsure of what to think of this, i can see it through both perspectives. :shrug:
An apology should be all that was needed


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: HappyTrippin]
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"im sorry for threatening to kill you mr.cop"
"no problem sunney boy"


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Afro]
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I'm sure that there was a little revenge motivation involved too, since the rapper had apparently made fun of the shooting of another cop on that force who died. 

I still wanna hear the song.  I can't find it anywhere.










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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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cops threaten people all the time i dont see the big deal

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Fort Mushroom]
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whats it matter if he named the cop?  does it make it any nicer for me to say kill jews or to kill anne frank?  i think killing all jews is much meaner....hitler said it....


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said:
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I hate to say it, but unless someone can talk me out of it, I agree with the cops on this one.  He did specifically mention one cop. 
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But the critical point is that there is no evidence the rapper intended the song for the public.  Someone else distributed it. 

By supporting his imprisonment, you are saying that if I sit here on my laptop, get out my acoustic guitar, and make a little recording that says, "I'm going to kill me ____________ (name of famous politician)" I should be put behind bars.  I find that disturbing.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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thats conspiracy for murder, but like i said the part that irks me is that saying the exact same thing about a group of people is ok??? thats what doesn't make sense.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
thats conspiracy for murder, but like i said the part that irks me is that saying the exact same thing about a group of people is ok??? thats what doesn't make sense.

Conspiracy requires multiple parties.  This is literally just one man talking to himself through a digital medium.  Also, the context is such that there is more than a reasonable doubt that he said what he said as entertainment rather than as a serious threat.  I can think of many lyrics of popular songs that, if taken as literal facts, would constitute serious crimes.


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to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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well songs hold more than just entertainment value, they also pass on beliefs and idea's.  sort of like a martin luther king, except if he was trapped in our moderan day he would be forced to use "entertainment" rather than be fried by our microwave "riot" weapons.

purhaps the reason why he was locked up was because he didn't release it, so hence it couldn't even be declared entertainment but more as a digital diary of a plot to kill someone hence conspiracy for murder, and if it does require multiple parties then poof you have them as soon as someone else listened to them.  even so if only one person talks about killing someone they deserve to be locked up.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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purhaps the reason why he was locked up was because he didn't release it, so hence it couldn't even be declared entertainment but more as a digital diary of a plot to kill someone hence conspiracy for murder, and if it does require multiple parties then poof you have them as soon as someone else listened to them.

No.  That's not why he was locked up.  He was locked up because the song was distributed on somebody's site, even though it was without his consent.

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even so if only one person talks about killing someone they deserve to be locked up.

I disagree.  There must be some kind of demonstration beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a real intent to actually carry out the act.  Hip hop has a history of pushing the envelope on violent lyrics, because of much early hip hop being a form of protest against police and judicial discrimination against African Americans.  It is entertainment with a political message, but it is meant to provoke and not to demonstrate intent.  Nobody thought Ice-T was going around blowing up police stations. 

If people are locked up for what they say it's a violation of one of our most basic Constitutional rights!

Here are some scenarios:

You say aloud to yourself, "Man, I want to buy some weed from Pete Sanchez, my weed dealer."  A police officer overhears.  Should you or your friend Pete Sanchez be arrested?

You and your friends write a joking song about killing your annoying history professor.  Should you all be arrested?

You drunkenly complain to a friend about being broke and say jokingly, "We should rob that bank over there."  If a cop rolls by right as you're saying this, should you be arrested?

IMO in all of these scenarios there is not enough evidence of serious intent.  It would be fair for the police officers to investigate these cases further, but none of these actions warrant any kind of jail time.  I think in this case intent was assumed on the part of this rapper because of his image, not because of substantial evidence.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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