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Rapper goes to prison for song
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Interesting story











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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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Bogus! Wasn't there a song called cop killers by uhmm.. i forgot the name. Pfft. Freedom of expression is a nogo! I haven't watched the article yet, i'll watch it in a sec, i'm listening to your song of the month first :P


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: HappyTrippin]
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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: HappyTrippin]
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Tupac also had songs about religious forgiveness. Doesn't make him a good person either.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: pmb]
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That'd be the song!


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: pmb]
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I hate to say it, but unless someone can talk me out of it, I agree with the cops on this one.  He did specifically mention one cop. 
:shrug:

edit:  I've changed my mind since this post.  I think the guy should be freed. 









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Edited by Learyfan (08/03/09 02:31 PM)

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: pmb]
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yea cop killer was taken off the shelves but my friends dad has the CD the first day it came out


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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I agree, specifically mentioning a person is different than a variety of people.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: HappyTrippin]
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I really would like to hear the song.  I can't find it anywhere.










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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: HappyTrippin]
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he did it too let off some steam not to exploit a cop. hell i don't fucking care he can go to jail, people have been sent to jail for alot less serious things


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Afro]
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True. And they never meant for it to go public. I'm unsure of what to think of this, i can see it through both perspectives. :shrug:
An apology should be all that was needed


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: HappyTrippin]
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"im sorry for threatening to kill you mr.cop"
"no problem sunney boy"


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Afro]
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I'm sure that there was a little revenge motivation involved too, since the rapper had apparently made fun of the shooting of another cop on that force who died. 

I still wanna hear the song.  I can't find it anywhere.










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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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cops threaten people all the time i dont see the big deal

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Fort Mushroom]
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whats it matter if he named the cop?  does it make it any nicer for me to say kill jews or to kill anne frank?  i think killing all jews is much meaner....hitler said it....


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said:
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I hate to say it, but unless someone can talk me out of it, I agree with the cops on this one.  He did specifically mention one cop. 
:shrug:










But the critical point is that there is no evidence the rapper intended the song for the public.  Someone else distributed it. 

By supporting his imprisonment, you are saying that if I sit here on my laptop, get out my acoustic guitar, and make a little recording that says, "I'm going to kill me ____________ (name of famous politician)" I should be put behind bars.  I find that disturbing.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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thats conspiracy for murder, but like i said the part that irks me is that saying the exact same thing about a group of people is ok??? thats what doesn't make sense.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
thats conspiracy for murder, but like i said the part that irks me is that saying the exact same thing about a group of people is ok??? thats what doesn't make sense.

Conspiracy requires multiple parties.  This is literally just one man talking to himself through a digital medium.  Also, the context is such that there is more than a reasonable doubt that he said what he said as entertainment rather than as a serious threat.  I can think of many lyrics of popular songs that, if taken as literal facts, would constitute serious crimes.


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to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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well songs hold more than just entertainment value, they also pass on beliefs and idea's.  sort of like a martin luther king, except if he was trapped in our moderan day he would be forced to use "entertainment" rather than be fried by our microwave "riot" weapons.

purhaps the reason why he was locked up was because he didn't release it, so hence it couldn't even be declared entertainment but more as a digital diary of a plot to kill someone hence conspiracy for murder, and if it does require multiple parties then poof you have them as soon as someone else listened to them.  even so if only one person talks about killing someone they deserve to be locked up.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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purhaps the reason why he was locked up was because he didn't release it, so hence it couldn't even be declared entertainment but more as a digital diary of a plot to kill someone hence conspiracy for murder, and if it does require multiple parties then poof you have them as soon as someone else listened to them.

No.  That's not why he was locked up.  He was locked up because the song was distributed on somebody's site, even though it was without his consent.

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even so if only one person talks about killing someone they deserve to be locked up.

I disagree.  There must be some kind of demonstration beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a real intent to actually carry out the act.  Hip hop has a history of pushing the envelope on violent lyrics, because of much early hip hop being a form of protest against police and judicial discrimination against African Americans.  It is entertainment with a political message, but it is meant to provoke and not to demonstrate intent.  Nobody thought Ice-T was going around blowing up police stations. 

If people are locked up for what they say it's a violation of one of our most basic Constitutional rights!

Here are some scenarios:

You say aloud to yourself, "Man, I want to buy some weed from Pete Sanchez, my weed dealer."  A police officer overhears.  Should you or your friend Pete Sanchez be arrested?

You and your friends write a joking song about killing your annoying history professor.  Should you all be arrested?

You drunkenly complain to a friend about being broke and say jokingly, "We should rob that bank over there."  If a cop rolls by right as you're saying this, should you be arrested?

IMO in all of these scenarios there is not enough evidence of serious intent.  It would be fair for the police officers to investigate these cases further, but none of these actions warrant any kind of jail time.  I think in this case intent was assumed on the part of this rapper because of his image, not because of substantial evidence.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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your saying he got locked up because someone stole HIS cd and posted it?  that doesn't make sense at all. :wtf:

threatening people with death is one of our rights?


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
your saying he got locked up because someone stole HIS cd and posted it?  that doesn't make sense at all. :wtf:

Did you watch the video? :confused:


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My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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do i need too? :wtf:

nobody is discussing how a rapper got locked up because someone stole his fuckin cd except you just now, their talkin about how he got locked up because of what he said on the cd.  your talking about people stealing his cd as an excuse for him getting out of being locked up... these are all quite very different things


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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I was on the cops side at first (wow!), but after thinking about it, I'm definitely on the side of him being let go now.  He recorded the song a while ago.  He never expected anyone to hear that song.  And he now does Christian rap.  So it's definitely not a credible threat.










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Edited by Learyfan (08/03/09 02:11 PM)

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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the pigs can beat you and say what they want
who enforces the enforcers

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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and isn't micheal vick a vagan or something ironic like that since those dogfights.  people change to save their ass moreso than anything else

and im sure most people who plan someone's death prefer that to not be released.  if it wasn't published then it can't be considered entertainment and theirfor could be viewed as a digital diary with a musical twist lol

to name someone specific means he knew the person.  to threaten a specific person with death deserves you to get locked up.  even internet death threats get people locked up if you happen to mention the right names.

this was a personal threat. why does a guitar get to hide people from the law?

if i were to walk up to a cop on the street with my guitar what do you think would happen?????????????????????????  oh officer i didn't mean for you to hear that! :kaboom:


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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The thing that convinced me was that he became a Christian rapper before "Kill Me A Cop" was released.  So that tells me that by the time the song was released, it was not a credible threat. 










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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
do i need too? :wtf:

nobody is discussing how a rapper got locked up because someone stole his fuckin cd except you just now, their talkin about how he got locked up because of what he said on the cd.  your talking about people stealing his cd as an excuse for him getting out of being locked up... these are all quite very different things

Someone admitted putting the song up without his permission.  Before that it had not been heard in a public forum.  That's the crux of the issue.  Don't debate without bothering to check to the facts.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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because christans don't kill people?  fuck i shoulda known:nonono:  and how do you know he didn't know it wasn't about to be released?


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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Lion said:
makaveli8x8 said:
do i need too? :wtf:

nobody is discussing how a rapper got locked up because someone stole his fuckin cd except you just now, their talkin about how he got locked up because of what he said on the cd.  your talking about people stealing his cd as an excuse for him getting out of being locked up... these are all quite very different things

Someone admitted putting the song up without his permission.  Before that it had not been heard in a public forum.  That's the crux of the issue.  Don't debate without bothering to check to the facts.


lol no the crux of the issue is that he threated to kill someone, having not purposely released it AS I HAVE MENTIONED, means it was more of a hidden plot of sorts and if anything increases the chance that he was a threat to someone's life!  ive already went over it so go read the other stuff

and nobody said he stupid song wasn't stolen, so why don't you read and find out what the debate is about before quoting "facts" to people.  the debate is about him threatening an officer of the law BY NAME.  thats WHY he got locked up. 

his song getting stolen and released is WHY he got CAUGHT.

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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Making a couple gospel songs doesn't make someone a Christian or a good person.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Knifey Mcstab]
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I know that being Christian doesn't make you a good person, but it does show that even before this controversy began, he had changed his life, become a different person, and is thus his song, which was recorded before his change, and which was never supposed to see the light of day, is much less credible. 












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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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Is it illegal to threaten to kill a DEAD person?

Even if he was alive at the time of the recording, I'd that that to be able to get a conviction for conspiracy, they'd have to show that he had the means and intention.

To convict him for transmitting a threat, it has to be relayed to a third party.  At the time the threat was relayed, the cop was already dead, so again, the threat was moot.

That's my legal interpretation :shrug:


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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why do you keep ignoring the points i make, ive already pointed out that he clearly could have known before hand that it would eventually be released.  and after someone mentions killing someone "on a hidden cd", publishing some god loving music doesn't mean shit.

so plots to kill people "that weren't meant to see the light of day" makes him a safer person? and his threat safer? and that he shouldn't have been locked up at all?


i think not.  i feel much safer, and that cop sure as hell feels safer having had this guy in prison.  or i guess he would have if he were still alive?  denie?


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
why do you keep ignoring the points i make, ive already pointed out that he clearly could have known before hand that it would eventually be released.  and after someone mentions killing someone "on a hidden cd", publishing some god loving music doesn't mean shit.

so plots to kill people "that weren't meant to see the light of day" makes him a safer person? and his threat safer? and that he shouldn't have been locked up at all?


i think not.  i feel much safer, and that cop sure as hell feels safer having had this guy in prison.  or i guess he would have if he were still alive?  denie?


Threats have to be transmitted to a third party :shrug:

Luckily for him it took a while for that to happen and the threat had become unviable in the meantime.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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so plots to kill people "that weren't meant to see the light of day" makes him a safer person? and his threat safer? and that he shouldn't have been locked up at all?

There was no plot, only a threat made in a song.  Eminem is not in jail for threatening to kill his wife by name in a song; the creators of Grand Theft Auto are not in prison for promoting violence against police officers in cities obviously modeled after New York, Miami et al.; that is because it is understood that these are not serious threats.  And whether or not he considered the possibility that it might be heard by the public later is irrelevant; it was a private recording.  People are free to say what they want in private as long as they do not act upon it.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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How do you know that he expected the song to come out?  I think he found religion and then afterwards is now being haunted by a song that he hadn't expected to come out.  As was said before, the crux of the situation is if the song poses a legitimate threat.  I think he changed his life and is now no longer a legitimate threat. 











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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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Lion said: the creators of Grand Theft Auto are not in prison for promoting violence against police officers in cities obviously modeled after New York, Miami et al.;


That's not a good example because there is no direct threat being made.  GTA is obviously fantasy. 












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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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i thought eminem said he wanted to kill her but that he never could because she was the mother of his child or something like that.  besides she didn't turn up dead lol  the fact that this cop did makes it look even worse...maybe he turned to christan music to repent for his sins:yesnod:

but like i mentioned earlier, if you write down something, or record something involving someone elses death, and its implied that you wanted to kill them.  and somehow a cop heard this, that gives suspicious.  now that fact that the person wanted this revealed or not doesn't matter....the threat is still out their.

if you have someone who wants to kill someone and lets that person know

or you have someone who wants to kill someone and has it recorded somewhere and hidden

i view both as threats on my life.  it doesn't matter if you say it to my face or not. 

if someone wrote down or recorded a plot to blow up a building and someone a cop stumbled apon that....its still a threat.


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Edited by makaveli8x8 (08/03/09 03:59 PM)

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said: if you write down something, or record something involving someone elses death, and its implied that you wanted to kill them.  and somehow a cop heard this, that gives suspicious.  now that fact that the person wanted this revealed or not doesn't matter....the threat is still out their.



The fact that the song wasn't intended to be released means that it isn't a credible threat.  He was just talking shit to himself. 












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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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but it can be viewed as a plan to kill someone i already gave examples, and that person ended up dead

do you think they catch terrorists because the call up the fucking whitehouse?????


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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The cop who ended up dead is not the issue here.  When this guy wrote the song, he threatened to kill a cop.  He also talked about another cop who had already been killed in the same song apparently. 











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Edited by Learyfan (08/03/09 04:20 PM)

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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so your saying he could be linked to 2 murders then?


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said:
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Lion said: the creators of Grand Theft Auto are not in prison for promoting violence against police officers in cities obviously modeled after New York, Miami et al.;


That's not a good example because there is no direct threat being made.  GTA is obviously fantasy. 












It's only a matter of degree.  GTA is modeled after real cities and glorifies the murder of their police forces.  Music is only slightly less in the realm of fantasy than video games.

The fact is that if this man did not intend this song to be heard in a public forum, he did nothing illegal.  It is not a crime to say to yourself, "I plan to kill so-and-so."  Intent to actually commit the act must be shown beyond a reasonable doubt.  End of story.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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real short, real simple, if someone writes down that they intend to blow up the police station, and a cop finds this information....what should happen????


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
so your saying he could be linked to 2 murders then?


No, that other murder had nothing to do with him.  He was just referencing/making light of it, I guess.





makaveli8x8 said:
real short, real simple, if someone writes down that they intend to blow up the police station, and a cop finds this information....what should happen????


It depends on when the cops find this information.  If they find it 50 years down the road, should the note writer go to jail?











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Edited by Learyfan (08/03/09 04:35 PM)

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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so how does the first death, the one that he said he wanted to kill, before the guy got killed, have nothing at all to do with him as you mentioned? 
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The cop who ended up dead is not the issue here.


clearly the cops find it before it happened.  so what should they do?


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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:rofl2: gospel rap


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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No.  The rapper who recorded "Kill Me A Cop" was only referencing another cop murder, which had been solved.  He had nothing at all to do with that killing.











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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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so both cops, were both dead, and he said " i wanna kill this cops name"???  well that changes quite a bit then im not sure why that took so long to come out.  when someone mentioned the cop didn't matter they failed to point out that the guy was already dead i guess having 2 cops in the same song can get confusing.  if this is indeed the case im really surpized you guys bothered to argue all my points :lol:

but for future reference, if the cop had been alive?

and then take this back to my question about blowing up the police station what should the cops do if they know before hand?


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
real short, real simple, if someone writes down that they intend to blow up the police station, and a cop finds this information....what should happen????

That gives the officer probable cause to investigate the individual.  It might suffice to bring the person to trial.  At that point, the intent to blow up the police station would have to be established beyond a reasonable doubt for that person to be put in jail.  Beyond a reasonable doubt means that it is certain that the note was not written in jest, as a form of entertainment, and a number of other parameters.  If someone wrote that simple sentence on a piece of paper in the privacy of their home, that is not nearly enough to warrant a conviction.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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but then its left up to the jury, and its up to the person who wrote the letter to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he DIDN"T plan to blow up the building.

if you visit our security forum you will see this is how our laws actually work.  anything can and will be used against you.  you think a jury is going to want someone thinking about blowing up builds free on the streets?  or even joking about doing it?  there crazy and at least deserve to be in the loony bin till they pass tests


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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Locking people up for talking about a crime.....next they will lock people up for talking about growing mushrooms............He made a song about commiting a crime......we make posts about commiting a crime...keep that in mind when you try to rationalize this as a major death threat......he made a threat of commiting a crime,just like you saying I plan to grow mushrooms is a threat to committ a crime.

Besides that just saying something is no grounds for criminal action....you have to have plans and others involved for it to be conspiracy.


Me saying I am going to rob bank of america and kill joe blow the cash clerk is not a plan and no crime has been committed.



Also a rap is fantasy too.......like any of them broke rappers are doing anything they show in the videos and write down in lyrics.....song is a fantasy medium too.



The next thing that is going to happen is they will lock you up for sedition here soon,lockin this rapper up is just step one on that road.


Just keep in mind ,when you say I am going to kill that stupid tweeker named _______ for being late or not paying you on time ,you are just as guilty as that rapper who is sitting in jail.


This is just plain bullshit and clear rights violation,even though I dont agree with what he said or like it .


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: unretarded]
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Hey guys, I found the song.  Click here.  You can listen to it/download it. 












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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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Bump if you want to hear the song.










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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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bump

:bonghit:

the song is freakin cool,even if you dont take the lyrics into account like that guy said :lol:
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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
but then its left up to the jury, and its up to the person who wrote the letter to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he DIDN"T plan to blow up the building.

You obviously do not understand how the law in the United States works.  The burden of proof is on the prosecution - "innocent until proven guilty".  The defendant in fact does not have to prove his innocence, he only has to demonstrate that there is a real possibility he is not guilty.  The prosecution must prove he is guilty, which technically means they must have 96% or more of the total evidence in their favor.  Under the terms of the law, a conviction based on anything less than that is not a fair outcome.


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My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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Here it is on youtube.



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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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Haha this is local to me. Werd?

Thats crazy as hell.

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: ReefaCheefa]
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He actually has some skills on the mic. I figured it would be some shitty rap with no flow, but he lays it down pretty good.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: cubicle]
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its all about context

they're giving him a taste

he shouldnt be in there for long tho they're just words :shrug:


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Konyap]
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Shitttt. You'd be surprised what they can do here in Imperial Polk County. One of 3 counties from FL you DONT want to live in.

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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Lion]
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thats pretty pathetic. it's idiots fighting.


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Re: Rapper goes to prison for song [Re: Learyfan]
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This is patent nonsense. Free the guy.

It was a private recording never intended to be made public. Its comparable with the "crime" half the population is guilty of: saying so-and-so should be killed for this or that reason.

The other guy putting it online without permission violated his copyright, and this is held against him.


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