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The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies
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In formal logic, it is important to know some common fallacies.  However, what is often overlooked is the fact that certain fallacies simply refer to a fallacious form of an argument that can be valid in other contexts.  I figured I'd start this thread to point out some common ones.

Appeal to Authority: Appeal to authority can be perfectly legitimate if said authority is an authority on the subject at hand.  It is only when their authority is unrelated to the subject, or when their authority is taken to be greater than it really is, that it becomes a fallacy.  For example, if I were to appeal to the authority of a highly-esteemed evolutionary biologist on the subject of evolution, it would be a valid appeal to authority.  If, on the other hand, I were to appeal to the authority of a professional athlete on that subject, it would be a fallacious appeal to authority.

Slippery Slope: The Slippery Slope fallacy is only fallacious if it assumes a sequence of events that don't necessarily follow from the original event.  If the series of events necessarily follow from the premise, such as eggs solidifying from cooking them, then it is not a fallacy.

Ad Hominem: An ad hominem argument can be legitimate in countering an appeal to authority if one can undermine the authority of the person being appealed to.

Burden of Proof: It is commonly asserted that the burden of proof is on the claimant, but many people don't see that this applies to negative claims as well as positive claims, and insist that the burden of proof is on the person challenging their negative claim, based on the assumption that the person is making a positive claim.

These are just a few.  Feel free to add some more as they occur to you.


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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: Silversoul]
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Let me get this straight: you had to start a separate thread because you made an error and could not admit it?


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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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lulz

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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Let me get this straight: you had to start a separate thread because you made an error and could not admit it?


No.  I made a thread because I felt compelled to educate some of the more ignorant posters here.


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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Appeal to Authority: Appeal to authority can be perfectly legitimate if said authority is an authority on the subject at hand.  It is only when their authority is unrelated to the subject, or when their authority is taken to be greater than it really is, that it becomes a fallacy.  For example, if I were to appeal to the authority of a highly-esteemed evolutionary biologist on the subject of evolution, it would be a valid appeal to authority.  If, on the other hand, I were to appeal to the authority of a professional athlete on that subject, it would be a fallacious appeal to authority.

yeah, it's called appeal to UNQUALIFIED authority. That coulda saved you a lot of time.


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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Let me get this straight: you had to start a separate thread because you made an error and could not admit it?


No.  I made a thread because I felt compelled to educate some of the more ignorant posters here.



I'm not sure you are capable of learning.:shrug:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Silversoul said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Let me get this straight: you had to start a separate thread because you made an error and could not admit it?


No.  I made a thread because I felt compelled to educate some of the more ignorant posters here.



I'm not sure you are capable of learning.:shrug:


Learning what, exactly?




For the record, I had been thinking about making this thread for a while, as I had frequently run into people falsely citing fallacies that had not been committed.  I would suggest that no one flatter themselves into thinking that this thread is only meant to address them.


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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: Silversoul]
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That you are an ignorant poster.:satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
That you are an ignorant poster.:satansmoking:


Of course I'm ignorant.  We're all ignorant.  Only by realizing we're ignorant can we learn anything.


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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: Silversoul]
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How do you know we are all ignorant? If you're so ignorant as you claim then how could you know if others are? I'm an actor so I just play an ignorant person here.

Actually I'm a know it all.:monkeydance::lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: Icelander]
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Ignorant or not, you're just plain silly. :monkeydance:


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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: Silversoul]
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Thank you dear.:heart: I try and try.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: Icelander]
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Ad Hominem: An ad hominem argument can be legitimate in countering an appeal to authority if one can undermine the authority of the person being appealed to.

really? I thought an argument always stood on its own merit regardless of who says it. The only time personal attacks are legit is when you question someone's character. And even then, it's not an argument it's a testimony.


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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: learningtofly]
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learningtofly said:
Quote:
Ad Hominem: An ad hominem argument can be legitimate in countering an appeal to authority if one can undermine the authority of the person being appealed to.

really? I thought an argument always stood on its own merit regardless of who says it. The only time personal attacks are legit is when you question someone's character. And even then, it's not an argument it's a testimony.


Since no one can have a full understanding of every topic, we often rely on the expertise of certain authorities, and thus one can appeal to their authority on a specific subject.  One can counter that argument if one can prove that the person cited is not a reliable authority.


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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: Silversoul]
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I'm not retarded silversoul, you're referring to an appeal to an unqualified authority


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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: learningtofly]
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learningtofly said:
I'm not retarded silversoul, you're referring to an appeal to an unqualified authority


Of course.  But many people cite it simply as "appeal to authority," unaware that some appeals to authority are legitimate.


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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: Silversoul]
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Like when we appeal to the mods here.:crazy2::crazy2::crazy2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
learningtofly said:
I'm not retarded silversoul, you're referring to an appeal to an unqualified authority


Of course.  But many people cite it simply as "appeal to authority," unaware that some appeals to authority are legitimate.


lol if thats true many debates are gonna end rather quickly


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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: learningtofly]
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learningtofly said:
Silversoul said:
learningtofly said:
I'm not retarded silversoul, you're referring to an appeal to an unqualified authority


Of course.  But many people cite it simply as "appeal to authority," unaware that some appeals to authority are legitimate.


lol if thats true many debates are gonna end rather quickly


It'd be nice if they did, but some people just don't know when to quit.


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Re: The Fallacy of Misunderstood Fallacies [Re: Silversoul]
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No that would be bad if people thought you could say that whenever you cite a source that "APPEALING TO AN AUTHORITY ON A SUBJECT IS AN ILLEGAL MOVE! U LOSE! HAHHAA"


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