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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: ScavengerType]
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Denial is first part of grief.... over realizing you have no cogent viewpoint.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
And waterboarding is not torture, as you well know.


We all know it was torture until the United States starting doing it.  Then it wasn't torture.  At least until it was banned because torture is inconsistent with American values.

It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the torture investigations.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Enjoy your hard on.  It will no doubt end as most erections do.  In a masturbatory spasm of of fruitless ejecta.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Enjoy your hard on.  It will no doubt end as most erections do.  In a masturbatory spasm of of fruitless ejecta.



So...you don't actually have an argument, right?  Just personal attacks?


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
There was already a trial for your beloved strappado, as you well know.  And waterboarding is not torture, as you well know.


1.  There was never a trial for the man's death.

2.  Of course it is, no matter how much the torture perverts try to deny it.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: TGRR]
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I'm still waiting for a part of the Geneva conventions that validates waterboarding. I suspect there is none. Where's the provision that says "Oh and if he's a really bad guy you can torture him just a little as long as you don't leave any noticeable lasting damage." like the torture memos make a claim to. Nobody's debating that you don't think waterboarding is torture or that the bush admin didn't (before they changed their mind) But by international law signed and ratified by the USA that it is torture.

Only someone who really hated America would want to make them welch on a major international convention. You America haters.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: ScavengerType]
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> But by international law signed and ratified by the USA that it is torture.

Wow, really?  What "international law" signed and ratified by the USA specifically states that waterboarding is torture?  I would really like to see you back up this claim.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: Seuss]
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The strappado boys were tried in the matter of the man's death.  Lying will get you nowhere.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: zappaisgod]
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> The strappado boys were tried in the matter of the man's death.  Lying will get you nowhere.

Eh?  Mis-reply?


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
> The strappado boys were tried in the matter of the man's death.  Lying will get you nowhere.

Eh?  Mis-reply?


Mis-reply.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
The strappado boys were tried in the matter of the man's death.  Lying will get you nowhere.


Nope.  We've been over this.  They were tried for assault, conduct unbecoming, etc.  Nobody was charged with murder.  Yet.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: TGRR]
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Apparently the prosecutors decided the incident didn't warrant a murder charge.  Which has not one thing to do with the fact that they were tried.  Wah fucking wah.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: TGRR]
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No wonder the conservative movement is so weak right now.  Too many admit they think the killing of foreigners is no big deal (among other things).


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Another pointless post from a Jimmy Carter soldier who thinks killing Americans is no big deal.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Please enlighted me on how opposing torture equates to thinking that killing Americans is no big deal???


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
No wonder the conservative movement is so weak right now.  Too many admit they think the killing of foreigners is no big deal (among other things).


Where does that reference torture?  What torture?  And the Conservative movement is not in trouble, Republicans are.  If the Republicans had actually been conservative they would still be in power.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Please enlighted me on why you think the killing of Americans is no big deal to me.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Because you prefer to hamstring any efforts at obtaining information for some nebulous and illusory legal parsing of interrogation techniques so as to make them useless and utterly ineffective.  You are Jamie Gorelick's bastard child.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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> Please enlighted me on why you think the killing of Americans is no big deal to me.

What are you talking about?  Please enlighten us with a quote where Zappa says, "Killing Americans is no big deal."


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Re: Guantanamo Bay......Should Obama really close it? [Re: Seuss]
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zappaisgod said:
Another pointless post from a Jimmy Carter soldier who thinks killing Americans is no big deal.



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