Phluck said:

My point being, the reason I don't believe in god is because I have never seen anything that remotely seems like evidence that there is a god. Of any definition. Thinking up a definition for god that can't possibly be tested, and therefore can't be disproved doesn't make god any more real.

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Phluck said:

But what does any of that proove? You've seen lots of things, but how do you know that what you saw was a reflection of reality, or just something dreamed up by your subconcious. People have seen god, and have him tell them that they need to start a race war in order to kill off the negroes. Just because you believe it, doesn't mean its true.

I've had trips where I honestly believed I had tapped into some kind of magical connection to the minds of everyone in the world and was sending healing vibes all over.

Later, I thought about it, and decided that it's a lot more reasonable to think that this was just an experience brought about through my subconcious... not actual reality.

I've seen, I've believed, I learned to think, and I stopped believing.

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I agree.  This is a good mindframe in order to separate reality from LaLa Land.

Sandman, do you honestly believe you have seen God?

I would like to trip with you.

Not because I want to fuck with you, I just think we would have some deep talks.

Swyfty Swyf said:

I agree.  This is a good mind frame in order to separate reality from LaLa Land.

Sandman, do you honestly believe you have seen God?

I would like to trip with you.

Not because I want to fuck with you, I just think we would have some deep talks.

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lol...no. But you can join my cult, it comes with a free sham-wow!
We would have some good trips though, I do acid with a friend about once a year. He is atheist, we talk and debate in a very friendly open matter. We both come out learning more about ourselves, and our beliefs. What is a belief if it is not open to be challenged? Oh wait thats the Catholics...

But seriously....

I would not say I have seen God, but I do believe I know how to listen when they speak.
One night I had an experience, this experience was unlike the 100 or so trips before it. It was special, it was weird, it was in no way like mushrooms at all really.

Something in my mind was set off, uncontrollable laughter. I could not stop for nearly 10 minutes, I literally went to take a piss and laughed the whole time. (This is where believers and unbelievers will say I went INSANE...rightfully so.)

As I returned to my place of comfort, I could feel a presence in my mind. Almost like it was knocking on my skull until I tried to listen. But these were not words, they were thoughts,

"can you hear me?"

This thought was not spoken aloud, but pure thought, fighting with my thoughts to stop so I would listen.

I gave in, I started conversing in my mind with what I believe is God. Now, I didn't really do much talking, but I did interrupt a few times. I am not schizo, but you shall believe this, regardless it changed my life.

It was the happiest experience of my life, God did not give me divine revelation on what to do with the world, or to preach a message. All he did was tell me crazy jokes about how ironic he made life, many much to complex and way far out of my mental capabilities for my subconscious to create. I know our minds can make things up, but their where things revealed to me that I had NO way of knowing, these things where given to me as proof that the experience was real.

It was in no way an experience as one would think with God,
(scared prophet writing down the agenda of an angry, stern God)

It was hilarious and filled with joy. I have never been so happy, ever. When it was over I lay on my back and stare at the ceiling. Insane geometric patterns twinkling in red,green, and blue hover over me. I can touch them with my hands and move them from side to side.

When God came to me he had a reason, and I will not get into that because I'm sure the flaming is already in full force. But to my understanding, God is nothing but pure love, pure energy, and the greatest joker in the world.

I believe the only way I came in contact with the thoughts of God is because I had ascended into a higher state of consciousness. A state where laughter is the norm, where happiness is not hard to come by.

All this believers and non-believers will write off, and rightly so. I would not believe some crazy asshole on the internet either. This is not my motive. I am explaining why I believe so strongly.

Their was also physical proof that night, on a number of occasions. I have a small hole in the floor of my bathroom about the size of thumbtack. It is still their to remind me of that night.


I am not trying to get anyone to believe in God. But if by chance things in your life could be better, then give God a try.

You need no Church.

You need no Doctrine.

You need a happy, clean, clear mind. A mind that can accept its beliefs or unbelief's as false and start over. This does not come easy, but with a little work.


I am a gambling man - Sinner most will say. But when it comes to spirituality, I suggest you all take the odds that their IS a God.



If I am wrong- I lose nothing.
If you are wrong - you lose it all.

blewmeanie said:

sandman_130 said:

DeathCompany said:

Statisticons_win said:

i never once told anyone how to feel about beief systems.  I said basically calling someone stubborn because of the way  they believe is ridiculous cause it is solely contingent upon experience.

Me, i believe in beings of power.  You, I can't make you if you won't.

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I never said you told people how to feel i just pointed out the fact that you said the subject was boring but had the incredible urge to tell everyone  about how boring it is to you. Just contradictory.

I believe in different forms of higher power I just feel that most (if not all) religions are disgusting.

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Most people that believe in a God, or Gods, will agree with this statement. That is, if they aren't apart of these organizations.

I for one find it highly unlikely that any religion could be truth, sure some parts may be derived from original truth, but the catholic church and numerous leaders have changed and twisted the christian belief to suite their needs.

Most bible believing Christians don't really know what they believe.



What I find more unlikely is that the moon is 400x larger than the sun, but the sun is exactly 400x farther away, thus enabling the perfect alignment of the sun and the moon during a solar eclipse. I believe this to be one of the many signs God gives us to show us that the chances of this happening by chance is fairly ridiculous.

Not to mention the pure calculation and many factors that enable life on earth, the slightest change in any of them, and we would not be here.

Through science we have come to understand them, but many scientist agree that it is more likely the work of intelligent design, rather than a random act of events in perfect coordination that would make the odds in Vegas look tantalizing.

Source?!

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The sun and moon aren't in perfect alignment.

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Not to mention the moon is WAY SMALLER THAN the sun lol. In the picture there is earth. The moon is roughly 1/4 earths size.





And the whole 400x farther away is wrong too.  The moon is roughly 221,560 miles away (depends on where the moon is at the time) and the sun is 93 million miles away.

Qubit said:

I think thats the biggest mistake most atheists (especially on this site) make.  Their atheism is based on an anti-christian mindset, not a logical argument.

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drift said:

What about agnostics?

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Agnostics are obviously correct because there is no fucking way for something as small as us to really know what the fuck is going on.

DeathCompany said:

blewmeanie said:

sandman_130 said:

DeathCompany said:

I never said you told people how to feel i just pointed out the fact that you said the subject was boring but had the incredible urge to tell everyone  about how boring it is to you. Just contradictory.

I believe in different forms of higher power I just feel that most (if not all) religions are disgusting.

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Most people that believe in a God, or Gods, will agree with this statement. That is, if they aren't apart of these organizations.

I for one find it highly unlikely that any religion could be truth, sure some parts may be derived from original truth, but the catholic church and numerous leaders have changed and twisted the christian belief to suite their needs.

Most bible believing Christians don't really know what they believe.



What I find more unlikely is that the moon is 400x larger than the sun, but the sun is exactly 400x farther away, thus enabling the perfect alignment of the sun and the moon during a solar eclipse. I believe this to be one of the many signs God gives us to show us that the chances of this happening by chance is fairly ridiculous.

Not to mention the pure calculation and many factors that enable life on earth, the slightest change in any of them, and we would not be here.

Through science we have come to understand them, but many scientist agree that it is more likely the work of intelligent design, rather than a random act of events in perfect coordination that would make the odds in Vegas look tantalizing.

Source?!

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The sun and moon aren't in perfect alignment.

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Not to mention the moon is WAY SMALLER THAN the sun lol. In the picture there is earth. The moon is roughly 1/4 earths size.





And the whole 400x farther away is wrong too.  The moon is roughly 221,560 miles away (depends on where the moon is at the time) and the sun is 93 million miles away.

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On the lesser of these instances. Take last week for example. A month ago I applied for a new job, no emails, no calls nothing. Then one morning I am taking a shower, and say a quick prayer for a chance to work in this industry.

I get out of the shower, get dressed, go downstairs and their is a message on the phone.
Interview tomorrow at 10:30. Needless to say I got the job.

Pure coincidence? Maybe to an outsider this one instance can be called that, but not when you live like this everyday and things like this happen all the time. They called me 2 weeks after the closing date for the position, so I had long given up and started applying elsewhere. Something that morning told me to pray, because it is not like I prayed everyday for that job. Infact, I only prayed once, and that one time worked.

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It was the happiest experience of my life, God did not give me divine revelation on what to do with the world, or to preach a message. All he did was tell me crazy jokes about how ironic he made life, many much to complex and way far out of my mental capabilities for my subconscious to create. I know our minds can make things up, but their where things revealed to me that I had NO way of knowing, these things where given to me as proof that the experience was real.

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What I find more unlikely is that the moon is 400x larger than the sun, but the sun is exactly 400x farther away, thus enabling the perfect alignment of the sun and the moon during a solar eclipse. I believe this to be one of the many signs God gives us to show us that the chances of this happening by chance is fairly ridiculous.

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Swyfty Swyf said:

Yeah, you were tripping, dude.

That was you in your head, not God.

Give yourself a little credit.

Did you really think the moon was 400x larger than the sun?

What the fuck, Clarence?

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