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Re: Skepticism [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Now before you go getting all smarmy and having a love-fest with yourself, point to one poster here who is not skeptical of something, then we can have a real conversation.

I will be waiting...


Exactly. Everyone is skeptical of something, so it's impossible to draw a line between 'skeptics' and 'believers' unless you define a topic.


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Re: Skepticism [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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Mr. Mushrooms said:
This tickled me:

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We live in a culture that has, for centuries now, cultivated the idea that the skeptical person is always smarter than one who believes. You can almost be as stupid as a cabbage as long as you doubt.

~ Dallas Willard

:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:

Ain't it the truth, ain't it the truth?

Agree or disagree?  This dividing line should be fairly easy to predict among the regulars here.

Wanna show off your smarts here in the forum?  Never offer anything of substance, just bash others' ideas.  :super:



Nothing is black and white no matter what your bias may tell you.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Skepticism [Re: zouden]
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At least he started the topic with both a strawman AND an ad hominem. And this from a long-time student of philosophy who pretends to hate baiting...


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Re: Skepticism [Re: Mastamike1118]
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Mastamike1118 said:
the doubter has nothing to lose whearas the believer has his belief to defend...

and you may say the believer is stronger... of course if he can defend his beliefs when attacked he may be strong...but what about the guy who offers nothing and has nothing to defend he his strong without proving anything at all...


I don't know what the word believer means. It usually is used in attacks on Christians. I believe that more exists than can be scientifically measured. I also believe in toast. So I guess I am a believer.

I have nothing to prove or defend. I see the skeptic as someone who stops their learning at the end of the material world. I know the material world and the immaterial world. Therefore I know more than the skeptic. So I disagree that skeptics are smarter than believers.

Anyone who defines them self as a skeptic is usually spends most of their time making fun of believers. What a legacy to leave on the world. I can see the tombstone, "dedicated forum troll fighting against believing". :rofl2:

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Re: Skepticism [Re: energy]
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Quote:
I don't know what the word believer means.


A believer is someone who holds something to be true. Truth is what is definite. IMO nothing is definite.


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Re: Skepticism [Re: Grapefruit]
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Somethings are pretty close to being definite, depending on how abstract you want to get.

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Re: Skepticism [Re: zouden]
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I have to say that I agree with zoudan, you have to define a context to which this discussion is going to take place.

I don't think there's many skeptics of towels, but there are religious skeptics.


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Re: Skepticism [Re: learningtofly]
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I don't believe in a truly fluffy towel that is both soft AND absorbent. :nono:


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Re: Skepticism [Re: energy]
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energy said:
Somethings are pretty close to being definite, depending on how abstract you want to get.


Most things to do with spirituality, mysticism or religion are far from definite IMO.


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Re: Skepticism [Re: learningtofly]
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I liked the quote from Michael Shermer. All Rupert Sheldrake's ideas can be explained in other ways. ..... Well, I haven't read his books. :rofl:

Sure gives you confidence in the skeptic.

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Re: Skepticism [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said:
energy said:
Somethings are pretty close to being definite, depending on how abstract you want to get.


Most things to do with spirituality, mysticism or religion are far from definite IMO.


True. I am definite in my belief that something is there. I admit I am not definite as to what exactly it is. So I explore.

I'm not a believer, I am an explorer.

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Re: Skepticism [Re: energy]
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:thumbup: As Icelanders signature used to say "I have many suspicions but no beliefs" R. A. W.


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Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. 

"Chat your fraff
Chat your fraff
Just chat your fraff
Chat your fraff"

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Re: Skepticism [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said:
:thumbup: As Icelanders signature used to say "I have many suspicions but no beliefs" R. A. W.


Since there are many explorers before me it is only logical to look at their work, evaluate it and compare it to my experiences.

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Re: Skepticism [Re: energy]
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True, yet very few IMO actually make a realistic comparison to their personal experiences. Instead they need to believe and so lie to themselves and then to others. I know this from personal experience. I was once a Christian.:satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Skepticism [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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There's a lot of Western cultural imperialism out there masquerading as skepticism.  People who never for a second think the AMA might be full of shit will dismiss any form of Eastern or indigenous medicine off-hand as being bunk.


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Re: Skepticism [Re: Silversoul]
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Let's go get 'em! :mob:


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Re: Skepticism [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
There's a lot of Western cultural imperialism out there masquerading as skepticism.  People who never for a second think the AMA might be full of shit will dismiss any form of Eastern or indigenous medicine off-hand as being bunk.



This is true. Skeptics can be just as full of shit as any religious folk. We are, remember, taking about human beings.:monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Skepticism [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I was once a Christian.:satansmoking:


They kicked you out?

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Re: Skepticism [Re: energy]
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Well the divorce was pretty mutually agreed upon. :satansmoking: Dad kicked me out of heaven but I thought that place was nowhere anyhow.:shrug:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Skepticism [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
There's a lot of Western cultural imperialism out there masquerading as skepticism.  People who never for a second think the AMA might be full of shit will dismiss any form of Eastern or indigenous medicine off-hand as being bunk.


And then there is the hippie/shroomery type crowd that will embrace any thing that is 'eastern' or 'indigenous' while being completely skeptical of the AMA and their scientific method.  Thats the kind of skepticism I see passed off as intelligence around here.

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