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Men are smarter than women
    #14073608 - 03/05/11 11:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



its genetics. generally speaking, men are logical,
women are emotional.

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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy] * 1
    #14073620 - 03/05/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A test designed by men... and you are surprised that men perform better than women?

And you call it genetics? hrmmmm


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
    #14073633 - 03/05/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

could you imagine president hillary clinton?  oh god..  thad be a huge mess..  women are truly emotional creatures..  plus they get even more emotional when theyre on thier period..


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy] * 3
    #14073653 - 03/05/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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mushiepussy said:


its genetics. generally speaking, men are logical,
women are emotional.




When do you graduate from middle school?


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14073664 - 03/06/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
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mushiepussy said:


its genetics. generally speaking, men are logical,
women are emotional.




When do you graduate from middle school?



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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14073693 - 03/06/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Everyone knows that already! :rolleyes:


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
    #14073719 - 03/06/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I always try to think of those sisters who invented the airplane, i think it was the Wright sisters, or who the first woman to walk on the moon was, or even that lady who discovered electricity by putting a key on a kite, or that chick who invented the light bulb, come on, you can't argue with that.



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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
    #14073728 - 03/06/11 12:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

MarkostheGnostic said:
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mushiepussy said:


its genetics. generally speaking, men are logical,
women are emotional.




When do you graduate from middle school?




Im gonna try again next year.

If you put bias to the wind and actually think about the
differences in behavior, it becomes obvious.
Women's thoughts "flow" differentally through sectors of the brain,
and they end up being more emotionally biased than mens.
There is a reason for the historical roles of men and women,
the same reason why a queen ant doesn't build the anthill.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy] * 1
    #14073735 - 03/06/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The queen ant doesn't build the anthill because it is making babies all day.

Humans are not ants (although sometimes we appear to be)

Woman are not encouraged to be academic so they do not develop those mental pathways. you are right that information flows differently but is this genetic or a matter of conditioning?

There really is no evidence to show that women's 'lack' of intelligence is attributable to genetics.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy] * 2
    #14073751 - 03/06/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe on average...but it certainly isn't absolute. My girlfriend is definitely smarter than I am. :shrug:


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
    #14073777 - 03/06/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Where do you live that women aren't encouraged to be academic?
I don't think that is much of a problem anymore, but the results
have changed very little.

The queen ant makes babies all day because her genetics dictate
her role in the colony. The queen ant is born a queen ant, no
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Eminence]
    #14073780 - 03/06/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

exactly.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Eminence]
    #14073785 - 03/06/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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frylock91 said:
Maybe on average...but it certainly isn't absolute. My girlfriend is definitely smarter than I am. :shrug:




Good point. It is also important to know that I am talking about
the kind of intelligence an IQ test reveals, there are other types
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Pony] * 1
    #14073790 - 03/06/11 12:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Where do I live? Ummm where does anyone live where women are actually encouraged at the same level as men?

I'm not talking about letting them study or making it equal opportunity for women to go into academics as men. I'm talking about from birth. How many female children are encouraged to explore the world in the same way that boys are?

I'm telling you dude that there is basically no evidence to prove that women's intelligence is genetic.

In fact it seems that we are seeing more and more female professors and inventors excelling above and beyond men. This is because our culture is slowly changing to allow women more freedom to pursue their goals.

If you want to compare a human woman to a female ant then you've lost my vote dude.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14073800 - 03/06/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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durantz said:
There really is no evidence to show that women's 'lack' of intelligence is attributable to genetics.


There's not even any evidence to show that women have a marked lack of intelligence.



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mushiepussy said:
The queen ant makes babies all day because her genetics dictate


Are you suggesting that historical gender roles are genetically dictated?


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her role in the colony. The queen ant is born a queen ant, no
conditioning required.


People have to be conditioned to regard gender roles; your analogy here between queen ants and gender roles is faulty.

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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14073826 - 03/06/11 12:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I am relating the role of women as mothers to the role of a queen ant.
I believe the role of the female as a mother has given women certain
genetic qualities that men do not have. I think the heavy emotional
bias is beneficial to childcare, but might not be while hunting
mammoth. Obviously men and womens bodies are different, dna dictates
this. Less apparently, there are neurological differences between
men and women as well, also dictated by dna.

I am not trying to bash women, I am merely stating observation.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14073831 - 03/06/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Where do you live that women aren't encouraged to be academic?
I don't think that is much of a problem anymore, but the results
have changed very little.

The queen ant makes babies all day because her genetics dictate
her role in the colony. The queen ant is born a queen ant, no
conditioning required.




My Lady is a black female (Nigerian-Jamaican), abandoned by her mother to be raised by White Londoners til age 7, sent to Jamaica til age 14, then finally sent to high school in Queens, NY. She was accepted to Princeton, University of Pennsylvania, and Cornell (where she took her B.A. in government). She also took an M.B. A. at University of Maryland - but never used it! I met her while she was shelving books a Borders Books & Music. Like me (B.A., M.T.S., Ph.D.), she is over-educated and an under-achiever, but together, we're as happy as two pigs in shit.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14073837 - 03/06/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why don't you pull up some graphs showing the differences in race and general intelligence?

Will you explain these differences with genetics too?

Will you explain the difference of intelligence between socioeconomic groups by genetics?

Dude you are making a MASSIVE generalisation based on a very misguided understanding of a statistic.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14073856 - 03/06/11 01:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I am relating the role of women as mothers to the role of a queen ant.
I believe the role of the female as a mother has given women certain
genetic qualities that men do not have.


It is self-evident that males and females have different genetic qualities, but there is no evidence that females are genetically less intellgient.


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I think the heavy emotional bias is beneficial to childcare, but might not be while hunting
mammoth. Obviously men and womens bodies are different, dna dictates
this. Less apparently, there are neurological differences between
men and women as well, also dictated by dna
.


Sure, but there's no evidence that females are genetically less intelligent than males.


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I am not trying to bash women, I am merely stating observation.


You have not observed, or provided any evidence that shows that women are genetically less intelligent than men.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Eminence]
    #14073859 - 03/06/11 01:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hey bro, you still online?


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    #14073911 - 03/06/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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A team of psychologists - admittedly, all male psychologists - at Edinburgh University has made a discovery which, for many of us, will not be very surprising. That is, that the number of super-intelligent men is double that of super-intelligent women. In the brightest two per cent of the population, there are two men to every one woman.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483707/Only-men-geniuses--far-stupid-men-women.html

:strokebeard:

But, I have also read that there are more men with significantly below-average intelligence than women, so it evens out the scales a bit.


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    #14073938 - 03/06/11 01:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14074660 - 03/06/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
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mushiepussy said:
Where do you live that women aren't encouraged to be academic?
I don't think that is much of a problem anymore, but the results
have changed very little.

The queen ant makes babies all day because her genetics dictate
her role in the colony. The queen ant is born a queen ant, no
conditioning required.




My Lady is a black female (Nigerian-Jamaican), abandoned by her mother to be raised by White Londoners til age 7, sent to Jamaica til age 14, then finally sent to high school in Queens, NY. She was accepted to Princeton, University of Pennsylvania, and Cornell (where she took her B.A. in government). She also took an M.B. A. at University of Maryland - but never used it! I met her while she was shelving books a Borders Books & Music. Like me (B.A., M.T.S., Ph.D.), she is over-educated and an under-achiever, but together, we're as happy as two pigs in shit.





Plus she's a lot smarter than you as evidenced by the fact that she doesn't post here. :grin:


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: deCypher]
    #14074901 - 03/06/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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deCypher said:
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A team of psychologists - admittedly, all male psychologists - at Edinburgh University has made a discovery which, for many of us, will not be very surprising. That is, that the number of super-intelligent men is double that of super-intelligent women. In the brightest two per cent of the population, there are two men to every one woman.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483707/Only-men-geniuses--far-stupid-men-women.html

:strokebeard:

But, I have also read that there are more men with significantly below-average intelligence than women, so it evens out the scales a bit.



That's my understanding as well.  Men deviate further from the median in both directions.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Silversoul]
    #14074922 - 03/06/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

IMO, people are generally pretty dumb. .


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    #14074941 - 03/06/11 10:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"We is dumb all over, and  a little ugly on the side" -Frank Zappa


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Icelander]
    #14076000 - 03/06/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

One of the most interesting differences appear in the way men and women estimate time, judge speed of things, carry out mental mathematical calculations, orient in space and visualize objects in three dimensions, etc. In all these tasks, women and men are strikingly different, as they are too in the way their brains process language. This may account, scientists say, for the fact that there are many more male mathematicians, airplane pilots, bush guides, mechanical engineers, architects and race car drivers than female ones.

On the other hand, women are better than men in human relations, recognizing emotional overtones in others and in language, emotional and artistic expressiveness, esthetic appreciation, verbal language and carrying out detailed and pre-planned tasks. For example, women generally can recall lists of words or paragraphs of text better than men (13).

The "father" of sociobiology, Edward O. Wilson, of Harvard University (10), said that human females tend to be higher than males in empathy, verbal skills, social skills and security-seeking, among other things, while men tend to be higher in independence, dominance, spatial and mathematical skills, rank-related aggression, and other characteristics.

When all these investigations began, scientists were skeptical about the role of genes and of biological differences, because cultural learning is very powerful and influential among humans. Are girls more prone to play with dolls and cooperate among themselves than boys, because they are taught to be so by parents, teachers and social peers, or is it the reverse order?

However, gender differences are already apparent from just a few months after birth, when social influence is still small.


"These discernible, measurable differences in behaviour have been imprinted long before external influences have had a chance to get to work. They reflect a basic difference in the newborn brain which we already know about -- the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the greater female skill in speech."


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There is my argument. This is why men have higher average IQs than women.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14076096 - 03/06/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have to agree with that completely.  However, just a little clarification on which theory may be correct, my niece whose parents did not want her to be girly (they are ranchers) didn't want her to play with dolls, but her grandmother gave her one, and she loves it, and tries to be a mother to it already.  So, they're genetically coded that way in my opinion.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Pony]
    #14076246 - 03/06/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Not sure how that will make them less intelligent.........


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
    #14076345 - 03/06/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Because the many of the areas females struggle with are the same
abilities an IQ test is made to identify.

As I have mentioned, I am talking about intelligence in terms of IQ
scores. However, I will say that women probably average higher EQ
scores, but a high EQ doesn't make physicists. There are many
different types of intelligence, but the type of intelligence
that defines scientists, engineers, and mathmeticians is the
kind I am talking about.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14076472 - 03/06/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes what it the point in having scientists, engineers, and mathematicians?

If their is no objective purpose for those occupations then why are you implying that they have more worth than a housewife, nurse, child-carer, or teacher?

It's kinda like you're saying men are more intelligent because they are better at certain jobs... well couldn't that also apply conversely to women? They are better at many jobs than men.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
    #14076615 - 03/06/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Imagine a world entirely filled with scientists and engineers.


Now imagine a world with only nurses and housewives.


Ill let you decide if one has more worth than the other.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
    #14076860 - 03/06/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A test designed by men... and you are surprised that men perform better than women?

That argument is specious. Many women are psychologists and participate the development of modern IQ tests.

But that said, I agree with your theme generally.

To the OP: I remember reading recently that the ratio of woman to men graduating college now favors women. That's not the same thing as intelligence, but it's telling.

I think the reasons those curves don't overlap are WAY more complicated than the OP makes it out to be.

For one thing, women have historically been held back by men. It wasn't too long ago that they couldn't even vote. In many parts of the world, men systematically subserviate them even today.

And no, women didn't invent the light bulb and all the rest, possibly because they were busy raising the inventors' children and didn't have the time.

My guess is if you did the same comparison illustrated by those curves over many decades, you would find their peak getting closer together over time. In a few more decades, it may well be reversed.

And finally, if the leaders of our species at the time of WW1 and WW2 had been women, we wouldn't have had those wars, IMO. What does that say about intelligence?


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Diploid]
    #14077015 - 03/06/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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To the OP: I remember reading recently that the ratio of woman to men graduating college now favors women. That's not the same thing as intelligence, but it's telling.



And no, women didn't invent the light bulb and all the rest, possibly because they were busy raising the inventors' children and didn't have the time.



And finally, if the leaders of our species at the time of WW1 and WW2 had been women, we would have had those wars, IMO. What does that say about intelligence?






I believe the fact many woman are graduating college is because
school actually favors the characteristics of woman. Think of
the way women operate as the opposite of ADHD, they are very
good at orginization, time management, completing pre-planned
tasks, and focus. These qualities are excellent for school.
However, IMO, it is these qualities that make women poor
creative problem solvers, which, also IMO, is a HUGE factor
in intelligence. IMO, woman have historically not been inventors
because they lack this creative problem solving, and women are
very rare at the genious IQ level. Idk if these tests are flawed
or not, but all of them show the same trends and they are supposed
to be as socially generic as possible.

I can't argue your last point, but I don't know if a woman would
have handled it any better. We may not have had a war, but there
also may still be a nazi empire, or maybe a woman's touch is what
those situations needed.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14077275 - 03/06/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Now imagine a world with only nurses and housewives.




Sounds like HEAVEN!


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14077337 - 03/06/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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...the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the greater female skill in speech."

scource

There is my argument. This is why men have higher average IQs than women.


How does men having a superior efficiency in spatial ability indicate that they have higher average IQs than women? If anything, the fact that women have greater skill in speech than men would indicate that they have higher average IQs...


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14077361 - 03/06/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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mushiepussy said:
...the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the greater female skill in speech."

scource

There is my argument. This is why men have higher average IQs than women.


How does men having a superior efficiency in spatial ability indicate that they have higher average IQs than women? If anything, the fact that women have greater skill in speech than men would indicate that they have higher average IQs...



I think what it indicates is that IQ only measures certain kinds of intelligence.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14077378 - 03/06/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Poid said:
Quote:

mushiepussy said:
...the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the greater female skill in speech."

scource

There is my argument. This is why men have higher average IQs than women.


How does men having a superior efficiency in spatial ability indicate that they have higher average IQs than women? If anything, the fact that women have greater skill in speech than men would indicate that they have higher average IQs...




It might seem that way, but that is not what an IQ test is about.
Einstein wasn't a master of speech, he was a master of spatial
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Silversoul]
    #14077381 - 03/06/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
...IQ only measures certain kinds of intelligence.


That's kinda obvious, though.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Silversoul]
    #14077390 - 03/06/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Now imagine a world with only nurses and housewives.




Sounds like HEAVEN!




hahaha good point.

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Poid said:
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mushiepussy said:
...the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the greater female skill in speech."

scource

There is my argument. This is why men have higher average IQs than women.


How does men having a superior efficiency in spatial ability indicate that they have higher average IQs than women? If anything, the fact that women have greater skill in speech than men would indicate that they have higher average IQs...



I think what it indicates is that IQ only measures certain kinds of intelligence.




Exactly.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14077395 - 03/06/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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mushiepussy said:
Quote:

Poid said:
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mushiepussy said:
...the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the greater female skill in speech."

scource

There is my argument. This is why men have higher average IQs than women.


How does men having a superior efficiency in spatial ability indicate that they have higher average IQs than women? If anything, the fact that women have greater skill in speech than men would indicate that they have higher average IQs...




It might seem that way, but that is not what an IQ test is about.
Einstein wasn't a master of speech, he was a master of spatial
imagination.


Who cares what Einstein was a master of, did he invent IQ tests or something? Is the purpose of IQ tests to see how smart you are in comparison to Einstein? :undecided:

I don't know much about IQ tests, so I wasn't aware that they focus more on spatial orientation than on speech skill; I don't even see how spatial orientation is in any significant way a measure of intelligence...


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14077410 - 03/06/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Women blessed with 'emotional intelligence' - the ability to express their feelings and read those of others - have better sex lives, research shows.

Those most in touch with their feelings have twice as many orgasms as inhibited sorts, the study found.




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Researcher Tim Spector of King's College London said there were definite advantages to being a touchy-feely type.

He said: 'These findings show that emotional intelligence is an advantage in many aspects of your life, including the bedroom.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1180583/Bad-luck-bimbos-Intelligent-women-better-sex-study-reveals.html#ixzz1FsRkgdoR




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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14077416 - 03/06/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Who cares what Einstein was a master of, did he invent IQ tests or something? Is the purpose of IQ tests to see how smart you are in comparison to Einstein? :undecided:

I don't know much about IQ tests, so I wasn't aware that they focus more on spatial orientation than on speech skill; I don't even see how spatial orientation is in any significant way a measure of intelligence...




Well then I suggest you do some research on intelligence
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14077436 - 03/06/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

IQ tests were designed to figure out which kids were retarded to take them out of class. IQ tests aren't really worth shit since they measure an extremely limited amount of intelligence. Why are you acting like IQ tests are infallible?

Besides, even if some arbitrary test states that overall men are smarter than women, what does that prove? Does it mean every single man is smarter than every woman? no.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14077444 - 03/06/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I know about intelligence, I just don't see how spatial orientation is in any significant way a measure of intelligence, especially when compared to speech skill; just because I don't see this doesn't mean I don't know enough about intelligence to join a debate about it. This debate isn't about how spatial orientation is in any significant way a measure of intelligence, so it's not like I need to know all about that in order to participate.


That comment was pretty useless BTW, it didn't contribute to the discussion, and seemed to just be intended as a personal attack.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14077454 - 03/06/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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That comment was pretty useless BTW, it didn't contribute to the discussion, and seemed to just be intended as a personal attack.




the hypocrisy... :smirk:


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: deranger]
    #14077458 - 03/06/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Where's the hypocrisy? Mushie's comment was directed at Poid, Poid's comment was directed at mushie's statement.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: deranger]
    #14077467 - 03/06/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That comment was pretty useless BTW, it didn't contribute to the discussion, and seemed to just be intended as a personal attack. :smirk:


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: learningtofly]
    #14077495 - 03/06/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it was a hypocritical remark in general.. it doesn't really have anything to do with this thread.  just saying it like I see it.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14077503 - 03/06/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Poid said:
Quote:

mushiepussy said:
...the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the greater female skill in speech."

scource

There is my argument. This is why men have higher average IQs than women.


How does men having a superior efficiency in spatial ability indicate that they have higher average IQs than women? If anything, the fact that women have greater skill in speech than men would indicate that they have higher average IQs...




Dude IQ test is a measure. There are countless journal articles (if you take the time to read them) which show that men perform better on them. We are talking about a standardised IQ test. Not your arbitrary meaning of IQ.

I'm just arguing against the OP's claim that this difference is attributable to genetics.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: deranger]
    #14077534 - 03/06/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Usually my "personal attacks" are made in order to show how stupid a person's logic is; for example, if someone thought the world is flat because it looks flat, then I'd probably say something like "This mirage in the desert looks like water, so I guess it must be water. :flowstone:".


I don't usually, in the middle of a discussion, make an irrelevant personal attack that isn't intended to prove or disprove a point. :craven:


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14077538 - 03/06/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know much about IQ tests, so I wasn't aware that they focus more on spatial orientation than on speech skill; I don't even see how spatial orientation is in any significant way a measure of intelligence...

I was responding to your statement. I didn't say anything about
you, you said you didn't know much about IQ, so I suggested you
do some research.


It seems like I have made my point that men have higher average
IQs than women, and it seems like you guys agree.
But now you are arguing against IQ tests, which is an entirely
different subject.

PS.
spatial ability: the ability to visualize manipulation of shapes
mathematical ability: the ability to solve problems and use logic
language ability: This could include the ability to complete sentences or recognize words when letters have been rearranged or removed.
memory ability: the ability to recall things presented either visually or aurally

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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14077549 - 03/06/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:smilingpuppy:


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
    #14077565 - 03/06/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Poid said:
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mushiepussy said:
...the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the greater female skill in speech."

scource

There is my argument. This is why men have higher average IQs than women.


How does men having a superior efficiency in spatial ability indicate that they have higher average IQs than women? If anything, the fact that women have greater skill in speech than men would indicate that they have higher average IQs...




Dude IQ test is a measure. There are countless journal articles (if you take the time to read them) which show that men perform better on them.


I didn't deny that IQ test is a measure, but I wasn't aware that there's a lot of evidence which demonstrates that men generally perform better on IQ tests than women; would you like to provide a source?

In any case, the title of this tread is "Men are smarter than women."; that men generally outperform women on IQ tests is not proof that they are smarter than them.


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We are talking about a standardised IQ test. Not your arbitrary meaning of IQ.


OK, thanks for making that random obvious comment. :thumbup:

What makes you think that I think we're talking about my arbitrary meaning of IQ? All I said is that I don't see why spatial recognition is seen as more of a measure of intelligence than speech skill in IQ tests, why you think this means I want to talk about my arbitrary meaning of IQ is completely beyond me, I don't even know why you think I've developed an arbitrary meaning of IQ because I certainly haven't expressed anything that suggests that I hold onto one.


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I'm just arguing against the OP's claim that this difference is attributable to genetics.


What proof do you have?


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: deranger]
    #14077573 - 03/06/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Mushie I thought you were saying this is due to a genetic difference which dictates that men are more intelligent...

There is proof that women and men have difference in biology but there is not much research to suggest that these differences result in one sex being more or less intelligent than the other.

And you're right there's no point in debating what an IQ test is because there are plenty of journal articles about them (I was just trying to explain this so we don't get bogged down in the semantics of things when all we have to do is go and read some articles and all will be explained)


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
    #14077579 - 03/06/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I didn't deny that IQ test is a measure, but I wasn't aware that there's a lot of evidence which demonstrates that man generally perform better on IQ tests than women; would you like to provide a source?




Please tell me your read the OP... there's a nice graph there for you.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14077590 - 03/06/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't know much about IQ tests, so I wasn't aware that they focus more on spatial orientation than on speech skill; I don't even see how spatial orientation is in any significant way a measure of intelligence...

I was responding to your statement. I didn't say anything about
you, you said you didn't know much about IQ, so I suggested you
do some research.


You suggested I do research on intelligence, not IQ.


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mushiepussy said:
It seems like I have made my point that men have higher average
IQs than women, and it seems like you guys agree.
But now you are arguing against IQ tests, which is an entirely
different subject.


The thread title is "Men are smarter than women."; that men generally outperform women on IQ tests does not indicate that they are smarter than them.


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PS.
spatial ability: the ability to visualize manipulation of shapes
mathematical ability: the ability to solve problems and use logic
language ability: This could include the ability to complete sentences or recognize words when letters have been rearranged or removed.
memory ability: the ability to recall things presented either visually or aurally

what IQ tests measure


Nice to know, thanks. :mushroom2:


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
    #14077604 - 03/06/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I didn't deny that IQ test is a measure, but I wasn't aware that there's a lot of evidence which demonstrates that man generally perform better on IQ tests than women; would you like to provide a source?




Please tell me your read the OP... there's a nice graph there for you.


That graph measures and compares the "General intelligence" of men and women, it says nothing about IQ specifically. :tard:


Why don't you address the rest of my response to you?


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
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Mushie I thought you were saying this is due to a genetic difference which dictates that men are more intelligent...

There is proof that women and men have difference in biology but there is not much research to suggest that these differences result in one sex being more or less intelligent than the other.





I am saying it is genetic difference.
I am saying men are more intelligent than woman in certain aspects,
and vice-versa.

the aspects in which men are superior(mathematical ability, spatial ability) give rise to innovation. IMO, this intelligence is by and
far the most important asset to humanity as a whole.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14077694 - 03/06/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

And how do you think they measure general intelligence?

You're actually talking to someone who studies this stuff full time. I spent 2 months studying intelligence last year...


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
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IMO, this intelligence is by and
far the most important asset to humanity as a whole.




you raise an interesting point and I'd like to debate this further.

You are placing more importance on the 'genetic' gifts of men over women. I use 'genetic' rather loosely because I do not believe that genetics plays as large a role in the 'intellectual capabilities' of men and women. but let's just assume you are right on that one.

How do we then determine which intellectual abilities are more 'worthwhile'?


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14077727 - 03/06/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You suggested I do research on intelligence, not IQ.

Considering IQ stands for Intelligence quotient, I think
some research on intelligence would benefit your arguments.



The thread title is "Men are smarter than women."; that men generally outperform women on IQ tests does not indicate that they are smarter than them.


That is exactly what it means, assuming the tests are accurate
measures of intelligence. Women have higher emotional
qoutients, but nobody cares to argue with that.


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    #14077746 - 03/06/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Mushie leave Poid out of it or he will hijack the discussion and make it into a word game... let's stick to your point because I find it very interesting and would like to understand it more.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
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durantz said:
Mushie I thought you were saying this is due to a genetic difference which dictates that men are more intelligent...

There is proof that women and men have difference in biology but there is not much research to suggest that these differences result in one sex being more or less intelligent than the other.





I am saying it is genetic difference.
I am saying men are more intelligent than woman in certain aspects,
and vice-versa.

the aspects in which men are superior(mathematical ability, spatial ability) give rise to innovation. IMO, this intelligence is by and
far the most important asset to humanity as a whole.


Without emotionally inclined women to raise those children who grow up to become innovators, there would not be any innovators.



Quote:

durantz said:
And how do you think they measure general intelligence?


I think it could be measured in a lot of ways; what exactly do you mean by "they"?


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mushiepussy said:
You're actually talking to someone who studies this stuff full time. I spent 2 months studying intelligence last year...


While I think that's pretty cool, I'm not going to unquestioningly assume that everything you say on the subject is necessarily correct, that would be a logical fallacy.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
    #14077779 - 03/06/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Mushie leave Poid out of it or he will hijack the discussion and make it into a word game... let's stick to your point because I find it very interesting and would like to understand it more.




Eg.
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what exactly do you mean by "they"?




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IMO, this intelligence is by and
far the most important asset to humanity as a whole.




you raise an interesting point and I'd like to debate this further.

You are placing more importance on the 'genetic' gifts of men over women. I use 'genetic' rather loosely because I do not believe that genetics plays as large a role in the 'intellectual capabilities' of men and women. but let's just assume you are right on that one.

How do we then determine which intellectual abilities are more 'worthwhile'?




I measure these abilities worth by contributions to society.
What would you consider some of humanities greatest triumphs?
IMO, it is our knowledge of physics and its application.
Physics has brought us every piece of technology and also
has given us knowledge of the universe. This knowledge is
important no matter where you are in the universe, and is
what gives earth its importance. If we visited an alien planet
with a budding society, the best thing we could give them is
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    #14077812 - 03/06/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You suggested I do research on intelligence, not IQ.

Considering IQ stands for Intelligence quotient, I think
some research on intelligence would benefit your arguments.


Why don't you just concentrate on my arguments instead of what I should research? :lol:

If there's something faulty in my arguments, then you should identify the faults; there's no need to say that I need to do more research, that's totally pointless, especially if you're not even going to address the claims themselves.


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The thread title is "Men are smarter than women."; that men generally outperform women on IQ tests does not indicate that they are smarter than them.

That is exactly what it means, assuming the tests are accurate
measures of intelligence.


So this is the assumption your argument is based on? Do you have any proof for it? I personally am somewhat skeptical about the reliability and validity of IQ tests.


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Women have higher emotional
qoutients, but nobody cares to argue with that.


They are also better at language.


Not all studies show that men outperform women on IQ tests:

Sex and psychology - Wikipedia
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Some studies have found a small male advantage on IQ tests, while others have found a small female advantage.




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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14077820 - 03/06/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I measure these abilities worth by contributions to society.




Very good point!

now I propose this to you. Society is a fictional concept created by humans to separate themselves from reality. I think we are discussing this in another thread. About knowledge and the illusion of separateness.

So for argument's sake I will agree with your measure of intellectual abilities. But if we are using a fictional creation as a datum point. Then what exactly is the objective worth of this measurement?


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14077835 - 03/06/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If we visited an alien planet
with a budding society, the best thing we could give them is
physics.




how is this not your subjective opinion and nothing more?

IMO social intelligence would come more in handy.

let nature evolve as it is..


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
    #14077841 - 03/06/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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durantz said:
Mushie leave Poid out of it or he will hijack the discussion and make it into a word game... let's stick to your point because I find it very interesting and would like to understand it more.




Eg.
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what exactly do you mean by "they"?





Wow, I guess you don't feel like you need to be clear with your arguments, what a great debater you are; vagueness FTW. :thumbup:


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
    #14077856 - 03/06/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Society is a fictional concept created by humans to separate themselves from reality.


No it isn't, it is a large group of homo-sapiens; many people are aware of the concept of society because they are exposed to it daily, and I'm not sure why it makes sense to you that they create this concept in order to separate themselves from reality.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14077894 - 03/06/11 08:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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what a great debater you are




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That comment was pretty useless BTW, it didn't contribute to the discussion, and seemed to just be intended as a personal attack.




the hypocrisy... :smirk:




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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: deranger]
    #14077910 - 03/06/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I hardly make any fallacies, am clear in my wording, don't get frustrated when asked to clarify my positions, and respond to people's points individually; that's a whole lot more than I can say for about 90% of the people that visit this forum. :shrug:


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    #14077916 - 03/06/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

lol you are so full of yourself. I often see you being critical of irrelevant points and not backing up your claims


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14077925 - 03/06/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I hardly make any fallacies




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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: learningtofly]
    #14077988 - 03/06/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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lol you are so full of yourself. I often see you being critical of irrelevant points and not backing up your claims



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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: deranger]
    #14077992 - 03/06/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

First I think we should look at what sets humans apart from
animals. Fundamentally it is the ability to understand and
manipulate nature. This ultimately results into physics
and its applications.

Let me substitute society for species. The greatest contributions
to our species are the one's that ensure its survival. Technology
has givin us a safe haven of comfort and long lives. It is the
reason why we have 7 billion people on the planet, most of which
live long comfortable lives. All of this can be attributed to
the advancement of knowledge of physics and its applications.
The next step is getting off the planet to ensure humanities survival
beyond the life of the earth, which physicists are working on.


Social intelligence is subjective, and probablly would
be void with an alien species. Physics, however, is universal and
could bring those the same comfort and security that technology has
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid] * 2
    #14077993 - 03/06/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I hardly make any fallacies, am clear in my wording, don't get frustrated when asked to clarify my positions, and respond to people's points individually; that's a whole lot more than I can say for about 90% of the people that visit this forum. :shrug:





Actually I somewhat agree with this.  The fact that Poid does not get frustrated or pissed of when posting is fairly amazing and rare. I think Poid's one of the best debaters here and he's come a long way since I've been here.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Icelander]
    #14077999 - 03/06/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Not showing frustration = not committing fallacies?


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    #14078005 - 03/06/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No and you're only picking on one aspect of that post. And I said I somewhat agree.


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Touche'.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Icelander]
    #14078014 - 03/06/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I hardly make any fallacies, am clear in my wording, don't get frustrated when asked to clarify my positions, and respond to people's points individually; that's a whole lot more than I can say for about 90% of the people that visit this forum. :shrug:





Actually I somewhat agree with this.  The fact that Poid does not get frustrated or pissed of when posting is fairly amazing and rare. I think Poid's one of the best debaters here and he's come a long way since I've been here.




But Icelander some of the topics we are discussing are not done in the traditional debating manner you learn in highschool. Many of the topics we are talking about are abstract concepts for which we have no 'hard evidence' or fact and figures. Some debates are purely philosophical so Poid's debating style is not appropriate to all situations IMO.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
    #14078037 - 03/06/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nothing is appropriate to all situations. If it's not appropriate then why are you debating him?


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    #14078044 - 03/06/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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lol you are so full of yourself. I often see you being critical of irrelevant points...


For example? You often say that I am criticizing irrelevant points when I point out people's spelling errors, or when I point out an error in one's wording; I don't see how trying to clarify a person's position means I'm being critical of irrelevant points.


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...and not backing up your claims


For example? I know for sure I hardly, if ever do this.



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learningtofly said:
lol you are so full of yourself. I often see you being critical of irrelevant points and not backing up your claims



:thumbup:


It's nice to know that you'd rather participate in this Poid-bashing than actually respond to my rebuttal to your point about society being a fictional concept that people create in order to separate themselves from reality, your enthusiasm for actual debate is noted. :thumbup:


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14078070 - 03/06/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You often say that I am criticizing irrelevant points when I point out people's spelling errors,




You don't see how criticizing an easily recognizable, non-ambiguous speller error is irrelevant? If you understand what the person means to say why does it matter if they misspell something?


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: learningtofly]
    #14078104 - 03/06/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Many of the topics we are talking about are abstract concepts for which we have no 'hard evidence' or fact and figures.


I don't remember saying that only 'hard evidence' and facts/figures can be used to prove the subject matter of those topics.


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Some debates are purely philosophical so Poid's debating style is not appropriate to all situations IMO.


All I've been asking is for evidence, I never commented on which kind of evidence I find acceptable; so far, no philosophical evidence has been provided for those topics. :shrug:



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You often say that I am criticizing irrelevant points when I point out people's spelling errors,




You don't see how criticizing an easily recognizable, non-ambiguous speller error is irrelevant? If you understand what the person means to say why does it matter if they misspell something?


Well, when it's an easily recognizable error, I usually point it out for shits-and-giggles, not to add to my argument, or detract from another's; lots of us fuck around a bit when we debate each other, but that doesn't make us bad debaters.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: deranger]
    #14078113 - 03/06/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If we visited an alien planet
with a budding society, the best thing we could give them is
physics.




how is this not your subjective opinion and nothing more?

IMO social intelligence would come more in handy.

let nature evolve as it is..




How would you know what social intelligence is on their planet?
Physics, however is universally applicable and these aliens
could easily use and understand it(as long as they have men :wink: )


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14078159 - 03/06/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Physics, however is universally applicable and these aliens
could easily use and understand it(as long as they have men :wink: )


I've read somewhere that it's possible that physical laws differ in different sections of the universe...


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14078199 - 03/06/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They do but not by much.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14078300 - 03/06/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How would you know what social intelligence is on their planet?
Physics, however is universally applicable and these aliens
could easily use and understand it(as long as they have men :wink: )




without social intelligence you wouldn't be able to give them physics, as you wouldn't be able to adapt to new social environments.

how would you communicate the information and our understanding of physics?

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Social intelligence is subjective, and probablly would
be void with an alien species. Physics, however, is universal and
could bring those the same comfort and security that technology has
given us, all they need is the information.





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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: deranger] * 1
    #14078324 - 03/06/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Did anyone take a second look at that article? It's entirely suspect. It references books on Amazon and I'm not seeing any linkbacks from any of Dr. Sabbatini's web pages. 

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How would you know what social intelligence is on their planet?
Physics, however is universally applicable and these aliens
could easily use and understand it(as long as they have men :wink: )




without social intelligence you wouldn't be able to give them physics, as you wouldn't be able to adapt to new social environments.


Who says that the manner in which you socialize with a certain group of aliens would be similar to the manner in which they socialize amongst themselves? Do you really think teaching them about how to be socially intelligent when interacting with humans would be more important than teaching them about physics? :undecided:


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Social intelligence...probablly would
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Why do you say that?


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Icelander]
    #14078345 - 03/06/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I hardly make any fallacies, am clear in my wording, don't get frustrated when asked to clarify my positions, and respond to people's points individually; that's a whole lot more than I can say for about 90% of the people that visit this forum. :shrug:





Actually I somewhat agree with this.  The fact that Poid does not get frustrated




it's a different type of frustration IMO.


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    #14078377 - 03/06/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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deranger said:
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mushiepussy said:
How would you know what social intelligence is on their planet?
Physics, however is universally applicable and these aliens
could easily use and understand it(as long as they have men :wink: )




without social intelligence you wouldn't be able to give them physics, as you wouldn't be able to adapt to new social environments.




Who says that the manner in which you socialize with a certain group of aliens would be similar to the manner in which they socialize amongst themselves? Do you really think teaching them about how to be socially intelligent when interacting with humans would be more important than teaching them about physics? :undecided:




it's not the manner, it's the ability..

what would our intelligence be to them if it could not be communicated and translated?


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    #14078442 - 03/06/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Poid said:
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deranger said:
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mushiepussy said:
How would you know what social intelligence is on their planet?
Physics, however is universally applicable and these aliens
could easily use and understand it(as long as they have men :wink: )




without social intelligence you wouldn't be able to give them physics, as you wouldn't be able to adapt to new social environments.




Who says that the manner in which you socialize with a certain group of aliens would be similar to the manner in which they socialize amongst themselves? Do you really think teaching them about how to be socially intelligent when interacting with humans would be more important than teaching them about physics? :undecided:




it's not the manner, it's the ability..


I'm not too sure what you're saying..are you saying that your ability to socialize with a certain group of aliens would be similar to their ability to socialize amongst themselves? :confused:


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what would our intelligence be to them if it could not be communicated and translated?


Are you defining 'social intelligence' as the ability to communicate with others and translate their communications?

Why would our social intelligence mean anything to them? I don't think our social intelligence would be of much use to them because their social behaviors would most likely differ drastically from ours; what can they learn from our social behaviors that is more important than physics?


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    #14078584 - 03/06/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Why would our social intelligence mean anything to them?




you are right, I don't mean to imply that it would.  hypothetically speaking, if we could give them the information of physics, it would require social intelligence. 

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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: deranger] * 1
    #14078869 - 03/06/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:  screw you nanomagnetic!!  she gave me a bad rating!!  this proves the point that women are emotional creatures!!  shes not even smart enough to take a joke :lol: :laugh2:  i could care less..  and to show you..  i wont even rate you!!  im more of a MAN than that!!  i believe that the intelligence is irrelevant really..  when it comes down to it just look at the history of the world..  its obvious the things that men and women alike have accomplished..  it may be due to some environmental factors and the upbringing of the girls and whats naturally expected..  but it is a FACT that females act alot more on emotion..  which society understands and accepts..  yea a female might be able to do a job as good as a man.. or better..  but sometimes especially physically they cant..  we as men are born with a braun about us and are made to be protectors and builders of this society more than women..  this is OBVIOUS!!  we are just created this way!!  any female running for government will most likely get very little male vote due to the fact that we are men and dont want to be run by women..  actually, think about the group that would vote for her..  they would be mostly feminists which is just as bad as a male sexist IMO..  im sorry for my joke and that it offended you!  but now im gonna have to join this debate im afraid..  i believe women should be their best just as men and theres nothing holding them back..  its just that most work is done by MAN..  most workplaces are full of men..  who dont want female bosses and the whole male staff would completely malfunction under a female lead..  it is the view of our society and the grain of our wood really..  why go against something that is working for us?  just go with the flow..  we are made a certain way and nobody wants to see a female with a jackhammer or a man in a mollymaid uniform, or a working mom and stay at home dad..  its obviously backwards..  we each have our place in society.. theres no argument here! cmon man..


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: wow]
    #14078941 - 03/06/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

holy shit did that just happen


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: nanomagnetic]
    #14078980 - 03/07/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Did anyone take a second look at that article? It's entirely suspect. It references books on Amazon and I'm not seeing any linkbacks from any of Dr. Sabbatini's web pages. 

:puppet:




If your not happy with this article, you could read the dozens
of others that say the exact same thing.
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: learningtofly]
    #14079042 - 03/07/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i hope she takes that back..  im sorry..  i spoke my mind now tho..  social intelligence is not even factored into the working world either..  its just how things work.. politics inside the workplace play a key factor but mostly inside of our male/female groups exclusively..  males have our politics as do females and it for the most part does not cross gender lines..  AT ALL.. we have our own sex to compete with..  however these lines do touch each other...  and when mates are selected usually a male of higher standing in male politics gets a female of higher standing in female politics..  this is how i see things..  we vary greatly within our own sex for example some men are bums and some are big business same for women..  just a big business women is not desired by most men..  we are afraid of being less powerfull truthfully..  it is accepted that a man be more powerful than a woman and not the other way around for the most part..  if a woman is set out to be better than a man as her purpose than she will never get the chance to enjoy a mans company..  and probably wont even know her problem..  its supposed to work this way IMO..


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: wow] * 2
    #14079052 - 03/07/11 12:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The ideas presented in your argument are fucking ridiculous and borderline incoherent. I am by no means insulting you personally and you shouldn't take it that way, but the words that you happened to type in that particular order make me want to vomit.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: learningtofly]
    #14079081 - 03/07/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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...the words that you happened to type in that particular order make me want to vomit.


Really? They make me laugh. :hehehe:


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14079091 - 03/07/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Next up: Macaws are smarter than parrots


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14079122 - 03/07/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Macaws are parrots:

Macaw - Wikipedia
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Macaws are small to large, often colourful New World parrots.




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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
    #14079136 - 03/07/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:goose:


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: learningtofly]
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: learningtofly]
    #14079191 - 03/07/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It that's a goose, then why does OC put two of them and call it a "pair-o-dox"? :mad:


:goose::goose:


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14079196 - 03/07/11 12:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Next up: Macaws are smarter than parrots




yeah, pretty much. I think the differences in intelligence are
hardly noticeable on average, it's just when they are at the
extremes you can relly notice the difference. The smartest
woman and the smartest man are two very different creatures.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid] * 1
    #14079202 - 03/07/11 12:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Because of the lack of a duck graemlin.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14079263 - 03/07/11 01:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Next up: Macaws are smarter than parrots




yeah, pretty much. I think the differences in intelligence are
hardly noticeable on average, it's just when they are at the
extremes you can relly notice the difference. The smartest
woman and the smartest man are two very different creatures.



lol i agree fully with this..  sorry for the mess i caused.. can we all get high? :shrug::awehigh:


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: wow]
    #14079307 - 03/07/11 01:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

not till they invent a virtual bong we can all share.

you know who will invent something like this? a man.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: wow]
    #14086623 - 03/08/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:lol:  screw you nanomagnetic!!  she gave me a bad rating!!  this proves the point that women are emotional creatures!!  shes not even smart enough to take a joke :lol: :laugh2:  i could care less..  and to show you..  i wont even rate you!!  im more of a MAN than that!!  i believe that the intelligence is irrelevant really..  when it comes down to it just look at the history of the world..  its obvious the things that men and women alike have accomplished..  it may be due to some environmental factors and the upbringing of the girls and whats naturally expected..  but it is a FACT that females act alot more on emotion..  which society understands and accepts..  yea a female might be able to do a job as good as a man.. or better..  but sometimes especially physically they cant..  we as men are born with a braun about us and are made to be protectors and builders of this society more than women..  this is OBVIOUS!!  we are just created this way!!  any female running for government will most likely get very little male vote due to the fact that we are men and dont want to be run by women..  actually, think about the group that would vote for her..  they would be mostly feminists which is just as bad as a male sexist IMO..  im sorry for my joke and that it offended you!  but now im gonna have to join this debate im afraid..  i believe women should be their best just as men and theres nothing holding them back..  its just that most work is done by MAN..  most workplaces are full of men..  who dont want female bosses and the whole male staff would completely malfunction under a female lead..  it is the view of our society and the grain of our wood really..  why go against something that is working for us?  just go with the flow..  we are made a certain way and nobody wants to see a female with a jackhammer or a man in a mollymaid uniform, or a working mom and stay at home dad..  its obviously backwards..  we each have our place in society.. theres no argument here! cmon man..




Uh...I've always "downvoted" the President-is-gonna-nuke-a-country-cuz-she's-pms-ing joke. And I'm not even a woman; it's just a really shitty joke. Shitty as in I don't think I've laughed at it since grade school. And yet people dig it out and think it's not a tired, worn out cliche? I mean, did you even read my rating? I gave you fair warning, "[I'm] not even mad, but..."

Anyways, hope you guys continue to enjoy your fraudulent claims.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: nanomagnetic]
    #14086731 - 03/08/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

women inventors
:lol: Do chocolate chip cookies really count as an invention?

rotary engine and electric water heater not invented by women.
Those are the only ones I double checked, I'm sure some of
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14088656 - 03/08/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

chocolate chips were invented because she was stupid and didn't have enough chocolate for regular chocolate cookies.


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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14093026 - 03/09/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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women inventors
:lol: Do chocolate chip cookies really count as an invention?

rotary engine and electric water heater not invented by women.
Those are the only ones I double checked, I'm sure some of
the others are not by women.




Hm, I don't think chocolate chip cookies are an invention. :strokebeard: I don't think there are a lot of major inventions and discoveries by women out there. But until historical-psycho-sociologists are able to control for economic and political disparity between the sexes, I think it'd be premature to say that women have less capacity for intelligence and creativity.

I can't substantiate it, but last I was told, women have a higher bandwidth connection between hemispheres. In fact, I recall reading the source text of a study where they found that men and women have different ratios of white and grey matter in the brain. It doesn't answer the overly simplistic question "who is smarter?", but it is proof that there's a difference.


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