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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: kyguy]
#14073911 - 03/06/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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A team of psychologists - admittedly, all male psychologists - at Edinburgh University has made a discovery which, for many of us, will not be very surprising. That is, that the number of super-intelligent men is double that of super-intelligent women. In the brightest two per cent of the population, there are two men to every one woman.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483707/Only-men-geniuses--far-stupid-men-women.html

But, I have also read that there are more men with significantly below-average intelligence than women, so it evens out the scales a bit.
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: kyguy]
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mushiepussy said: Where do you live that women aren't encouraged to be academic? I don't think that is much of a problem anymore, but the results have changed very little.
The queen ant makes babies all day because her genetics dictate her role in the colony. The queen ant is born a queen ant, no conditioning required.
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Plus she's a lot smarter than you as evidenced by the fact that she doesn't post here.
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: deCypher]
#14074901 - 03/06/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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A team of psychologists - admittedly, all male psychologists - at Edinburgh University has made a discovery which, for many of us, will not be very surprising. That is, that the number of super-intelligent men is double that of super-intelligent women. In the brightest two per cent of the population, there are two men to every one woman.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483707/Only-men-geniuses--far-stupid-men-women.html

But, I have also read that there are more men with significantly below-average intelligence than women, so it evens out the scales a bit.
That's my understanding as well. Men deviate further from the median in both directions.
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Silversoul]
#14074922 - 03/06/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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IMO, people are generally pretty dumb. .
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Icelander]
#14076000 - 03/06/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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One of the most interesting differences appear in the way men and women estimate time, judge speed of things, carry out mental mathematical calculations, orient in space and visualize objects in three dimensions, etc. In all these tasks, women and men are strikingly different, as they are too in the way their brains process language. This may account, scientists say, for the fact that there are many more male mathematicians, airplane pilots, bush guides, mechanical engineers, architects and race car drivers than female ones.
On the other hand, women are better than men in human relations, recognizing emotional overtones in others and in language, emotional and artistic expressiveness, esthetic appreciation, verbal language and carrying out detailed and pre-planned tasks. For example, women generally can recall lists of words or paragraphs of text better than men (13).
The "father" of sociobiology, Edward O. Wilson, of Harvard University (10), said that human females tend to be higher than males in empathy, verbal skills, social skills and security-seeking, among other things, while men tend to be higher in independence, dominance, spatial and mathematical skills, rank-related aggression, and other characteristics.
When all these investigations began, scientists were skeptical about the role of genes and of biological differences, because cultural learning is very powerful and influential among humans. Are girls more prone to play with dolls and cooperate among themselves than boys, because they are taught to be so by parents, teachers and social peers, or is it the reverse order?
However, gender differences are already apparent from just a few months after birth, when social influence is still small.
"These discernible, measurable differences in behaviour have been imprinted long before external influences have had a chance to get to work. They reflect a basic difference in the newborn brain which we already know about -- the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the greater female skill in speech."
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There is my argument. This is why men have higher average IQs than women.
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
#14076096 - 03/06/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have to agree with that completely. However, just a little clarification on which theory may be correct, my niece whose parents did not want her to be girly (they are ranchers) didn't want her to play with dolls, but her grandmother gave her one, and she loves it, and tries to be a mother to it already. So, they're genetically coded that way in my opinion.
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Pony]
#14076246 - 03/06/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not sure how that will make them less intelligent.........
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
#14076345 - 03/06/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Because the many of the areas females struggle with are the same abilities an IQ test is made to identify.
As I have mentioned, I am talking about intelligence in terms of IQ scores. However, I will say that women probably average higher EQ scores, but a high EQ doesn't make physicists. There are many different types of intelligence, but the type of intelligence that defines scientists, engineers, and mathmeticians is the kind I am talking about.
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
#14076472 - 03/06/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes what it the point in having scientists, engineers, and mathematicians?
If their is no objective purpose for those occupations then why are you implying that they have more worth than a housewife, nurse, child-carer, or teacher?
It's kinda like you're saying men are more intelligent because they are better at certain jobs... well couldn't that also apply conversely to women? They are better at many jobs than men.
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
#14076615 - 03/06/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Imagine a world entirely filled with scientists and engineers.
Now imagine a world with only nurses and housewives.
Ill let you decide if one has more worth than the other.
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: durantz]
#14076860 - 03/06/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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A test designed by men... and you are surprised that men perform better than women?
That argument is specious. Many women are psychologists and participate the development of modern IQ tests.
But that said, I agree with your theme generally.
To the OP: I remember reading recently that the ratio of woman to men graduating college now favors women. That's not the same thing as intelligence, but it's telling.
I think the reasons those curves don't overlap are WAY more complicated than the OP makes it out to be.
For one thing, women have historically been held back by men. It wasn't too long ago that they couldn't even vote. In many parts of the world, men systematically subserviate them even today.
And no, women didn't invent the light bulb and all the rest, possibly because they were busy raising the inventors' children and didn't have the time.
My guess is if you did the same comparison illustrated by those curves over many decades, you would find their peak getting closer together over time. In a few more decades, it may well be reversed.
And finally, if the leaders of our species at the time of WW1 and WW2 had been women, we wouldn't have had those wars, IMO. What does that say about intelligence?
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Diploid]
#14077015 - 03/06/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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To the OP: I remember reading recently that the ratio of woman to men graduating college now favors women. That's not the same thing as intelligence, but it's telling.
And no, women didn't invent the light bulb and all the rest, possibly because they were busy raising the inventors' children and didn't have the time.
And finally, if the leaders of our species at the time of WW1 and WW2 had been women, we would have had those wars, IMO. What does that say about intelligence?
I believe the fact many woman are graduating college is because school actually favors the characteristics of woman. Think of the way women operate as the opposite of ADHD, they are very good at orginization, time management, completing pre-planned tasks, and focus. These qualities are excellent for school. However, IMO, it is these qualities that make women poor creative problem solvers, which, also IMO, is a HUGE factor in intelligence. IMO, woman have historically not been inventors because they lack this creative problem solving, and women are very rare at the genious IQ level. Idk if these tests are flawed or not, but all of them show the same trends and they are supposed to be as socially generic as possible.
I can't argue your last point, but I don't know if a woman would have handled it any better. We may not have had a war, but there also may still be a nazi empire, or maybe a woman's touch is what those situations needed.
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
#14077275 - 03/06/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Now imagine a world with only nurses and housewives.
Sounds like HEAVEN!
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: mushiepussy]
#14077337 - 03/06/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushiepussy said: ...the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the greater female skill in speech."
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There is my argument. This is why men have higher average IQs than women.
How does men having a superior efficiency in spatial ability indicate that they have higher average IQs than women? If anything, the fact that women have greater skill in speech than men would indicate that they have higher average IQs...
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
#14077361 - 03/06/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushiepussy said: ...the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the greater female skill in speech."
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There is my argument. This is why men have higher average IQs than women.
How does men having a superior efficiency in spatial ability indicate that they have higher average IQs than women? If anything, the fact that women have greater skill in speech than men would indicate that they have higher average IQs...
I think what it indicates is that IQ only measures certain kinds of intelligence.
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Poid]
#14077378 - 03/06/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushiepussy said: ...the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the greater female skill in speech."
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There is my argument. This is why men have higher average IQs than women.
How does men having a superior efficiency in spatial ability indicate that they have higher average IQs than women? If anything, the fact that women have greater skill in speech than men would indicate that they have higher average IQs...
It might seem that way, but that is not what an IQ test is about. Einstein wasn't a master of speech, he was a master of spatial imagination.
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Silversoul]
#14077381 - 03/06/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: ...IQ only measures certain kinds of intelligence.
That's kinda obvious, though.
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Re: Men are smarter than women [Re: Silversoul]
#14077390 - 03/06/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Now imagine a world with only nurses and housewives.
Sounds like HEAVEN!
hahaha good point.
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mushiepussy said: ...the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the greater female skill in speech."
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There is my argument. This is why men have higher average IQs than women.
How does men having a superior efficiency in spatial ability indicate that they have higher average IQs than women? If anything, the fact that women have greater skill in speech than men would indicate that they have higher average IQs...
I think what it indicates is that IQ only measures certain kinds of intelligence.
Exactly.
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