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Dealing with insanity
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As I get older and me and my friends become more and more drug addled and I meet & get shpongled with more people, I keep seeing more psychotic symptoms (or full on breaks) - albeit, they still are pretty rare.

For instance, one of my friends has had a drug induced psychoses from acid & pills & lots of ketamine and another one is a full on paranoid schizophrenic from a combination of sketchy events, involving bad trips and sketchy experiences selling pills.

The latter friend ate some random rc which was sold to us as Methylone on Thursday night (now believed to be TFMPP, thanks to Noviseer). We decided to go for a walk at which point he snapped. He couldn't see and had these horrific loops that he couldn't break, He kept repeating what I assumed to be things he associated with safety (i.e. warm, car, pussy) and got very temperamental and un-trusting of anything that wasn't me (I've known this guy since school) or female.

I was pretty fucking wasted when I had to deal with this and it was quite scary and frustrating at points, seeing that much fear in someones eyes. 

This isn't the first time I've had to talk someone down and I highly doubt it will be the last time I have to do so. Maybe I should start carrying an emergency stash of Olanzapine so that if the situation is beyond me I can just put the person to sleep.

Obviously I try to avoid these situations like the plague, but for some reason people always look to me. Just the other day my best friend (whom is pretty in control) ate a strip off the bat and had quite a sketchy one (so did I, cause my girlfriend pretty much broke up with me just as I dropped, but I only ate 3 hits of acid) and I had to rationalize him back down to security so that he could get on with it.

I guess my question is, how do you / would you deal with these sorts of situations? I don't necessarily mean bad trips, cause its much easier to talk someone down from a bad trip than a psychotic episode (although they exhibit pretty similar phenomena).

:shrug:

(yeah I know some of these people should just lay off the drugs, but people only ever listen to me afterwards =/).


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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: Cepheus]
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Yeah, I think the drugs are the culprit.

I have done my fair share of high dosing Acid
(15 hits at once is my personal record)
These days,  though, I can't stress how important it is to get the most out of low doses.

I wish I had better advice for you, but I think you were right in these people laying off the drugs; No one ever seems to listen to the guy who knows what he is doing.

Reminds me of City Work; Two guys watching, one guy working.


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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: Cepheus]
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Your friends are mentally ill they had the latent mental illness, drugs don't cause mental illness they just bring it to the surface. Normal people do not get high every day or abuse drugs constantly it is mental illness to have/need to be drugged up all the time. Normal people don't need to be high all the time, drugs are for people who can't handle reality.

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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
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^^ This.


The way I figure, I'm glad drugs brought all of my shit out now while I'm young. This way, I'm not 40 and married with kids having a psychotic break.

Glad all that shit's behind me, and I got to find my true self. :sun:

Very tired of hearing this "drugs will cause..." crap. :nonono:

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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
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Quetzalcohuatl said:
Your friends are mentally ill they had the latent mental illness, drugs don't cause mental illness they just bring it to the surface. Normal people do not get high every day or abuse drugs constantly it is mental illness to have/need to be drugged up all the time. Normal people don't need to be high all the time, drugs are for people who can't handle reality.


STFU do you have any idea of what your saying?

Do you realize what a high dose of a psychedelic can do to you? Try a fucking 15 gram mushroom trip and come back and tell me that there is NOT insanity in there. Do you realize what board you are on?

Drugs can CERTAINLY cause "a mental" illness, I have been there first hand to become psychotic, yet nothing is wrong with me.

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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: feifen]
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Sources please.

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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: feifen]
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no, the insanity is in your head. If you can't realize that all that shit is just your brain being modulated by a chemical and isn't real you are crazy to begin with.

And you'd have to be a stupid crazy fuck to eat 15 g of shrooms. Hell I don't even do any of this shit, I'm just here to piss you off but even I know that is way too much.

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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
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Quetzalcohuatl said:
no, the insanity is in your head. If you can't realize that all that shit is just your brain being modulated by a chemical and isn't real you are crazy to begin with.

And you'd have to be a stupid crazy fuck to eat 15 g of shrooms. Hell I don't even do any of this shit, I'm just here to piss you off but even I know that is way too much.


And what the fuck is your head? Oh wait, that happens to be mental. I used quotation marks as "MENTAL" illness, as you are not really SICK with something, but you had a psychotic break down... wtf where are all the psychonaughts?

Like I said, if you have never done 15 grams, you cannot say drugs cannot induce a psychosis, even if just temporary. You keep calling people mentally ill. I have great experiences with large doses of psychedelics as well. There is nothing wrong with eating that high of a dose if your prepared for it.

So before you even speak another word, what's your highest dose on a psychedelic, and if you were in control or not. Because you are oblivious to true insanity is.

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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: feifen]
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Sources please.

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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: Cepheus]
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I avoid people that are prone to that stuff like the plague.  I can't even handle regular crap like someone ranting about their issues when I'm tripping.  I want to make the most of tripping experiences by keeping them positive and insightful.  Sometimes its just unavoidable though when some situation pops up or somebody suddenly springs a psychotic episode on you.

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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: Adden]
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I don't have sources, I am speaking first hand. Can you stop posting "Sources Please." I am not saying they go insane, but I am quite certain SOMEONE on this board of the Shroomery have had a clusterfucking high dose bad experience that made them go crazy for awhile.

:kingcrankey:

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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: Ego Death]
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This is why I hate noobs.

If they wanna be stupid with psychedelics then a psychotic break is what they deserve.


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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: feifen]
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Sources plx.

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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
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Quetzalcohuatl said:
Your friends are mentally ill they had the latent mental illness, drugs don't cause mental illness they just bring it to the surface. Normal people do not get high every day or abuse drugs constantly it is mental illness to have/need to be drugged up all the time. Normal people don't need to be high all the time, drugs are for people who can't handle reality.



I'm completely aware of this and you've completely missed the point of what I asked.

I knew some arrogant son of a bitch was gonna chime this in.


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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: Cepheus]
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Cepheus said:
He kept repeating what I assumed to be things he associated with safety (i.e. warm, car, pussy) and got very temperamental and un-trusting of anything that wasn't me (I've known this guy since school) or female.


Same thing happened to one of my friends who ate a quarter of mushies.

He's a stable minded person, but under the influence of psychedelics, I think he was close to the brink of EGO death, and kept holding on to it, so he ended up talking in loops of certain things. It was a bitch trying to get him to calm down. We ended up driving to pick up some acid and we sat him in the back car with the child locks on :smile:

Thank god for child locks.

but yeah, tripping is fun :smile:


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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: I AM SWIM]
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I've seen people in near-unbreakable loops before, but nothing like this. We were walking trying to get him to his car so that he would feel safe and he would stop every 10 seconds and start saying "we need to get to my car" and at several points he got aggressive and nearly punched one of our friends who was trying to reason with him.

Its my personal opinion that thought loops are on the brink of insanity, i.e. not a function of healthy mind. If you don't eventually break the loop then I can see how it can easily get messy.

Its easy for you people who don't have any first hand experience with people who have some kind of drug induced (as in triggered by, not caused by) psychoses to simply shrug it off. Its completely different when you actually experience it first hand and it is definitely scary.

In this scene you will undoubtedly meet a whole array of people, some of them mentally solid as a rock, others mentally fragile and you will not know this until it happens.

My question, if you actually read my post, was how do you deal with this? Drug INDUCED mental illness is much more common than you'd expect, especially with the ready availability of a whole array of ridiculously potent mind melting chemicals, which are often taken completely out of context in a completely inappropriate environment. So many people just eat whatever they can get (and yes I am aware this is ridiculous and I do tell people this, but no-one ever listens until its too late).

I'm sure other people here have had to deal with this sort of shit, I mean I think I did a pretty good job, but my question is, how do you go about it?


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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: Cepheus]
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I tend to take dosing pretty seriously. I'd never let an unstable friend casually eat five hits, or a quarter of mushrooms, without at least talking to them about the repercussions. If I don't want to babysit someone during a trip, I tell them that beforehand. Honesty before tripping is a good idea. If they still go into psychosis... ugh. Take care of them, and let them know it was a burden, and that you will not be putting up with it again. Too much parenting on psychedelics isn't good for people either. It's a fine line.


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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: Adden]
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Dystopia said:
The way I figure, I'm glad drugs brought all of my shit out now while I'm young. This way, I'm not 40 and married with kids having a psychotic break.

Glad all that shit's behind me, and I got to find my true self. :sun:




:thumbup::thumbup:


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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: Cepheus]
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You see the thing is, you are taking relatively new RESEARCH CHEMICALS, selfmade guinea pig. For all you know you'll all have cancer in 25 years


Kids these days, I tell ya

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Re: Dealing with insanity [Re: John Nada]
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Word, I took 2c-i one time and felt crazy for three weeks. The trip was fuckin' sweet, but I doubt I'd do that again.


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