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Re: meh [Re: Fjorgynn]
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I didn't say it was a crime, I asked how you could justify those presumptions given the article plainly details the methodology and surveys were not among them- nor were any means to identify anybody's ideology in place.

I said I think its a poor presumption to presume old people purchase porn at greater rates, but it doesn't matter since you're apparently just guessing.


I also think its pretty disgusting that you'd imply conservatives are more likely to be sexually repressed old people without showing any evidence of it. 


And WTF are you talking about with "how many studies you need to show conservatives are more immoral than those they condemn"?  Why do I give a shit?  I'm not even interested in talking about that cuz it has nothing to do with anything here.  But are you endorsing the as-described study's stated conclusions or something?


Do you really not get the problems between these types of broad "liberal state" studies?  Or are you just happy to accept them when they reinforce your prejudices?  If I show you a study correlating blue states with drug crime and murder are you going to accept that similarly?

It really just seems like your trying to argue "conservatives are bad" for some reason that's unclear and are willing to grab hold of whatever flawed data you can to make that point of questionable relevance.  I'm just wondering if you agree and if you're similarly loose with your acceptance of studies contrary to your prejudices?

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im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: johnm214]
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I think its funny that you are disgusted by me poking fun at conservatives.

Yes, I'm endorsing the study and all that jazz. I am not 'similarly loose' with contrary studies because science proves time and time again conservatives have more in common with faeces throwing apes than civilized people - no such studies exist. I DEFY you to demonstrate otherwise.

BTW I'm not a liberal but American conservatives are some of the most deranged creatures on the planet so how could the study be wrong.


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To the wilderness I wander.
By a knight of ghostes and shadowes
I summon'd am to tourney
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Methinks it is no journey

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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: Fjorgynn]
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> I think its funny that you are disgusted by me poking fun at conservatives.

No, he is disgusted at your fallacious argument, regardless of who you are poking fun at.  Read what he wrote again if you fail to see this.


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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: Fjorgynn]
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Fjorgynn said:
I think its funny that you are disgusted by me poking fun at conservatives.

Yes, I'm endorsing the study and all that jazz. I am not 'similarly loose' with contrary studies because science proves time and time again conservatives have more in common with faeces throwing apes than civilized people - no such studies exist. I DEFY you to demonstrate otherwise.

BTW I'm not a liberal but American conservatives are some of the most deranged creatures on the planet so how could the study be wrong.




:foreheadslap:

Like Seuss said I was not arguing about conservatives' integrity, I was arguing about you accepting a ridiculous study to prove things- some which the study didn't even claim to explore.

Apparently you think that if I disagree with a conclusion's support that must mean I think its wrong or support the ideology benifiting from the conclusion being wrong.  Guess what?  No.  I was disagreeing with your conclusions and saying they are silly.  This is why I say I don't want to discuss your other claims- it has nothing to do with anything.  Seems like you just want to argue "but they're really bad people" when this is completely irrelevant.  It also seems to reveal what you plainly state: that you don't care about the science you just want to bitch about conservatives and will abuse statistics and science to do that. 


And I'm disgusted you would believe harmful and prejudicial things about a large group on bullshit evidence, yes.  But I guess you show your colors when you say you only accept this ridiculous study because of your prejudices.  This is the bullshit I was disagreeeing with.  That isn't science and you seem to have one standard for studies that confirm your prejudices (ironically though you say the prejudices are based upon the studies, nice circular logic) and one for ones that oppose it- talk about confirmation bias!  How would you refuse the same study methodology that showed liberals have higher murder rates or drug dealing/abuse arrests?  Maybe corelation isn't confirmation?  Maybe you should read up on some stats and stop trying to be intellectually dishonest when it suits you're admitedly preconceived notions.

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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: johnm214]
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Please don't judge me, for I am just a humble man here to learn about conservatives and their porn consuming behavior patterns.

BTW way to dodge my challenge for you to demonstrate that conservatives aren't pre-cambrian apes. Very telling.


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With a host of furious fancies
Whereof I am commander,
With a burning spear and a horse of air,
To the wilderness I wander.
By a knight of ghostes and shadowes
I summon'd am to tourney
Ten leagues beyond the wild world's end.
Methinks it is no journey

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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: Fjorgynn]
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You have been judged and found to have little redeeming value, either social, intellectual or comedic.

Internet porn sales are higher in some conservative states because the liberals there spend all their time beating off instead of voting.  More conservatives get elected because the liberal wankers do what they do best in those states.  Makes as much sense as anything I've heard out of you.

I can't believe this thread lives.  Anyway, I kind of thought it might so I bookmarked this:
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Because my background is in economics and not religion or media, the media malpractice that gets me worked up the most usually involves numbers. No matter which newsroom I’ve worked in, the presence of numbers or numerical analysis seems to make journalists lose any brainpower. You should see what it’s like when reporters try to analyze polling data or governmental budgets. It’s just not pretty.

A reader sent along a story about a new nationwide study about porn usage. The story appears in the New Scientist. I have to be honest, if this story is any indication, that name must be satirical. There is literally nothing scientific about the report, headlined “Porn in the USA: Conservatives are biggest consumers.”

There is literally not one scintilla of evidence to back up the claim, written by reporter Ewen Callaway. I’m not saying conservatives aren’t the biggest consumers of porn. I’m just saying that there is nothing in the story to substantiate that



She goes on.  Fuck, enough already.


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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: zappaisgod]
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Actually, there's nothing really wrong with the original article. Just the reporting.
http://people.hbs.edu/bedelman/papers/redlightstates.pdf




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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: zouden]
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Yep, the reporting and the OP


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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Yep, the reporting and the OP



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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: zorbman]
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This study also assumes that conservatives don't know how to d/l free porn.

Porn is a bipartisan issue. Everyone loves to spank it to dismayingly unrealistic scenarios, it's the American Way!

I'd wish the religious types would just shut the fuck up about it being sinful. They always get caught fucking gay hookers on meth binges anyway. :gc:


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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Don't equate Conservative with Religious.  They are separate things.


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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: zappaisgod]
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I don't think I did in my post but then again aren't all of those Moral Majority types from the right end of the spectrum anyway? :shrug:


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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Virus_with_Shoes said:
I don't think I did in my post but then again aren't all of those Moral Majority types from the right end of the spectrum anyway? :shrug:



Are you kidding?  I'm as conservative as there is but I'd sure slather you up in a vat of pork renderings before I....... well, never mind about that.  Let's just say that your a victim of a misperception.


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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: zappaisgod]
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Quote:
I'd sure slather you up in a vat of pork renderings before I



:lol: I need an adult! I need an adult! :albundy:

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Let's just say that your a victim of a misperception.



May very well be. My guess would be that the overwhelming majority of religious nuts who want to ban porn and stop people from getting their rocks off are from the right. I'm by no means equating you with them because I know you have more sense than those twatwaffles- it would be like you comparing me to an eco-terrorist because we're both left of centre.

Then again, what religious organisations who want porn banned are left-leaning? I thought they were pretty monolithically in support of the GOP. Haven't heard of that at all.


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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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> My guess would be that the overwhelming majority of religious nuts who want to ban porn and stop people from getting their rocks off are from the right.

Common mistake, but understandable.  My experience has been that religious nut jobs that want to legislate their moral values are fairly equally split left to right.  The far right crowd is more vocal (usually with their support of the antiabortion movement), thus we hear more about them in the news, but I have known plenty of consensual crime supporters (outside of antiabortion) that lean to the left.

> Then again, what religious organisations who want porn banned are left-leaning?

Are you claiming that church goers are only right leaning?  I've yet to see a Christian church support porn, yet there a lot of left leaning people that go to church.


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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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The religious nut logs may well be mostly Conservative but that does not mean most Conservatives are religious nut logs.


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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: Fjorgynn]
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Fjorgynn said:
Please don't judge me, for I am just a humble man here to learn about conservatives and their porn consuming behavior patterns.

BTW way to dodge my challenge for you to demonstrate that conservatives aren't pre-cambrian apes. Very telling.




are you just trolling here or do you really not get what I'm saying?

I'm saying I will not discuss nor dispute your assertion that conservatives are apes cuz its irrelevant.  Again, you seem to just think cuz I call out the article's description of the methodology to be bullshit as well as your conclusions that I must reach the opposite conclusion of the article.

This is stupid.  Have you ever heard of uncertainty?  You just assume, apparently, that unless I thought conservatives weren't apes or weren't larger consumers of porn that I wouldn't have taken issue with the article or your nonsense.  This is stupid.  What basis do you have to presume that?  Regardless I never said it, so you can take your totally undefended nonsense and toss them in the bin of prejudice and pure conjecture you pulled it out of.

Its like your actually proud that you have no understanding of statistics or logic or that you willfully refuse to examine your conclusions.



If you wouldn't answer my question about physics would that matter?  No, cuz we aren't discussing that and its irrelevant.  Unlike you, apparently, I don't form opinions on things I have insufficient evidence for. But go along with your prejudice.  Politics and science always do so well when they mix.  You jsut admit to a confirmation bias and then continue on with your nonsense with no justification.  Willfully ignorant and proud?

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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
I'm saying I will not... dispute your assertion that conservatives are apes



Good, because it would be wrong to do so.

I'm glad we've reached an understanding here.


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With a host of furious fancies
Whereof I am commander,
With a burning spear and a horse of air,
To the wilderness I wander.
By a knight of ghostes and shadowes
I summon'd am to tourney
Ten leagues beyond the wild world's end.
Methinks it is no journey

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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: Seuss]
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From a quick wikipedia search:
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The Christian Left sometimes differs from other Christian political groups on issues including homosexuality. This is often not a matter of different religious ideas, but one of focus — viewing the prohibitions against killing, or the criticism of concentrations of wealth, as far more important than social issues emphasized by the religious right, such as opposition to homosexuality.

Other members of the Christian left affirm that homosexual practice is compatible with the Christian life and believe common biblical arguments used to condemn homosexuality are either wrong, misinterpreted, or irrelevant to modern same-sex relationships.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_left#Christian_left_and_issues

These don't sound like the type that would be outside picketing for porn to be banned. The several religious lefties I know seem to share this "live and let live" attitude but then again maybe there's a group somewhere I'm overlooking. Doubt they'd be actively seeking to have porn banned, they have other priorities.

In fact, if you check out the Christian Left they seem to adhere way closer to that Jesus guy than their right counterparts. They're in fact socialists- just like Jesus.

Quote:
Are you claiming that church goers are only right leaning? I've yet to see a Christian church support porn



Not at all, that would be ridiculous. There's a difference between not supporting porn and actively campaigning against it. You can not be in favour of porn and view it as a poor personal choice but that doesn't mean you're outside every Sunday picketing. My bet would be that the Christian left does not actively campaign against porn because they have bigger fish to fry.


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Re: im in ur forum, watching u squirm over my logical fallacies [Re: zappaisgod]
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The religious nut logs may well be mostly Conservative but that does not mean most Conservatives are religious nut logs.



If you look back at the post I made before you wrote this I made sure to make a point of this (eco-terrorist comment).


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