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Soviet Story - a must see
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"The Soviet Story" is a story of an Allied power, which helped the Nazis to fight Jews and which slaughtered its own people on an industrial scale. Assisted by the West, this power triumphed on May 9th, 1945. Its crimes were made taboo, and the complete story of Europe?s most murderous regime has never been told. Until now?

FILM SYNOPSIS

The film tells the story of the Soviet regime.

- The Great Famine in Ukraine (1932/33)
- The Katyn massacre (1940)
- The SS-KGB partnership [in the late 1930s the KGB was called NKVD]
- Soviet mass deportations
- Medical experiments in the GULAG.

These are just a few of the subjects covered in the film.

"The Soviet Story" also discusses the impact of the Soviet legacy on modern day Europe. Listen to experts and European MPs discussing the implications of a selective attitude towards mass murder; and meet a woman describing the burial of her new born son in a GULAG concentration camp.
The Soviet Story is a story of pain, injustice and "realpolitik".

torrent


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Re: Soviet Story - a must see [Re: Bridgeburner]
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When I hit download it, unfortunatly, says
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Error 503 Service Unavailable


I'd really like to see this.
I think it's ridiculous few people seem to know about the russians. The crimes they committed we're just as bad, or even worse, than the crimes committed by the nazi's.

I'll try again later, if it keeps giving that error, would you be able to send me the torrent file?

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Update: it's working now :wink:


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Edited by UnderTheOak (12/11/08 05:06 PM)

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Re: Soviet Story - a must see [Re: UnderTheOak]
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just finished watching it...

here's an article about it:

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BEING burnt in effigy on the streets of Moscow by nationalist hoodlums must count as a kind of Oscar if you are a Latvian filmmaker whose aim is to expose modern Russia's blindness to the criminal history of the Soviet Union. The ire of Young Russia's protest outside the Latvian embassy this week was directed at Edvins Snore, whose film “Soviet Story” is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past.

The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. Though it starts by telling the story of the murder of 7m Ukrainians in 1933, it is no mere catalogue of atrocities. The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems.

As Françoise Thom (one of many anti-communist luminaries appearing in the film) puts it: “Nazism was based on false biology; Marxism was based on false sociology”. The Marxist dream of the “new man”, for example, mirrored the Nazi idea of racial superiority. The Nazis murdered chiefly on racial grounds, while the Soviets concentrated on class. But mass murder is mass murder.

Those who keep a soft spot for Marxism may flinch to hear that the sage of Highgate referred to backward societies as Völkerabfälle (racial trash) who must “perish in the revolutionary holocaust”. Or that the Nazi party in its early days idolised Lenin (Josef Goebbels said he was second only to Adolf Hitler in greatness).

Perhaps the best sequence in the film shows pairs of posters using almost identical designs: muscular workers strike heroic attitudes in support of the party and the state, blonde little girls beam, fists smash enemies, hammers break chains. Without the swastika and hammer and sickle as clues, it would be hard to know which is which.

The illustration of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is compelling: Soviet radio transmitters guided German bombers in their attacks on Poland. A Soviet naval base near Murmansk helped the Nazi attack on Norway. The Soviet secret police helped train the Gestapo and discussed how to deal with the “Jewish question” in occupied Poland.

Cooperation was based on a written agreement—complete with the signature of Lavrenty Beria, head of the notorious NKVD—which is shown in the film. “The NKVD will propose to the Soviet Government a programme to reduce the participation of Jews in state bodies and to prohibit Jews and Jewish offspring of mixed marriages from the areas of culture and education”, reads a final, chilling sentence. Russia says the document is a fake.

Powerful archival footage shows Red Army officers drinking toasts with their counterparts from the SS in Berlin in December 1939. In 1940, the Soviet Union had become a huge supplier of grain and oil to the Nazi war machine, while it encouraged the Communist parties of western Europe to sabotage the anti-Nazi resistance.

“It is comforting to see Parisian workers talking to German soldiers as friends”, a French communist publication gloated in July 1940. Vyacheslav Molotov, who was then the Soviet Union's foreign minister, called fighting Nazism a “crime”. Along with similar pronouncements, that was published in every Soviet newspaper; such pages were hurriedly removed after Hitler's treachery.

Something pretty similar happened in the West. Nazi war criminals are reviled; their Soviet counterparts are honoured veterans to this day. Any attempt to bring them to justice prompts angry protests from Russia. “Hands Off Our Granddads”, was the slogan chanted by the protestors from Young Russia. A better question might be, “What exactly happened?”

Mr Snore and his sponsors in the European Parliament have produced a sharply provocative work. Its tone, technique and composition may be open to criticism. But those who want to ban it should try refuting it first.


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Re: Soviet Story - a must see [Re: Bridgeburner]
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Others don't seem to be all that interested. I'm about to watch it now, didn't have time to do it earlier.

It's a bloody fast torrent btw :smile:


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Re: Soviet Story - a must see [Re: UnderTheOak]
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tell me what you think after you've finished watching it.

yeah people are despondent in the west about communism mainly because it wasn't vilified like nazism. it's all about marketing.


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Re: Soviet Story - a must see [Re: Bridgeburner]
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I've seen it for about an hour now and it definetly is very interesting to watch.

What really catches me though is the fact that they mix material of mass murder with clapping and marching. I heavily wonder why they did this. I mean, we hear marching songs combined with the visuals of a man being shot in the back of his head. This probably is to strengthen the video and to form heavy opinions. This is even stronger than most documentaries I've seen about the nazi's. Most contain a very strong message, so does this one.

It is admitted that even the british we're part of it as the USSR was immune to the tribunal for war crimes.

Don't you agree the imagery is somewhat like propaganda?

Still, it's VERY interesting to watch and I really recommend it to others. It sheds a new light on the history of europe which is usually brought in a simple good vs. evil way. It's way more complex than that.


Now let's see what the rest of the documentary has to offer. I heavily thank you for posting this.


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Re: Soviet Story - a must see [Re: UnderTheOak]
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propaganda for what?

it's added effects to emphasize the imagery, imo. it's meant to be a bit shocking because most of the world doesn't realize what a monstrous regime it was. its aimed at people who have little or no knowledge of recent history or of the soviet regime.

its carrying message may be that not all of this is over and history may hold several holocausts ahead of us, being much worse than ukraine '32-'33.


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Re: Soviet Story - a must see [Re: Bridgeburner]
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I do understand it's meant to make the imagery stronger, it's "trickery" It's interesting to see this as I'm a student in Media & Design. It has definetly has a good reason here.

Did those people really clap because of the huge amount of others being killed? :wink: The way it's connected in this documentary certainly makes you think that.

What we see are creatures which are hardly recognisable as humans because of being nothing more than a layer of skin over a few bones. We see bodies being dumped into pits by shovels, we see fields of dead bodies. Isn't that enough yet?

Unfortunatly it's true that few people know about the horrors of this regime.. and maybe this is the way to teach others. And even worse, only very few seem to care about it.

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And another thing I just have to say: When watching an item on the war on the balkan area one person said this: After each war history is rewritten by the current rulers. Maybe it's good to think about that when reading or seeing documentaries. Always question it's source :wink:


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Re: Soviet Story - a must see [Re: Bridgeburner]
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the book Wild Swans is a good book about how terrible Chinese communism was in the early years.

its a good read and if you support Mao now you will hate him after reading that book.


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Re: Soviet Story - a must see [Re: SlashOZ]
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Isn't that enough yet?


i think peoples noses have to be shoved in it even more, it seems like shock tactics but there's nothing shocking about reality. the way people shoved those naked skeleton bodies into ditches made it look like they weren't shocked - they had no time to, the nightmares came into reality.

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its a good read and if you support Mao now you will hate him after reading that book.


i haven't met a single person who "admires" that monster... ew


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