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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: FiddlerOnTheRoof]
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You may get better feedback with higher quality images that provide more detail.

Keep us updated! :cool:

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: Arden]
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I find oil to be a very difficult medium to use..I have absolutely no skill and luck with it. But this looks good so far. what are the actual guidelines for the assignment?
And good luck.

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: alices_poppies]
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i do not have a working digital camera, i'll try and get better lighting next progress update.

guidelines were to chose a painting from a master and try your best to duplicate.

thanks for the feedback:thumbup:


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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: FiddlerOnTheRoof]
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would help if you gave us some more info. seems like you are good at drawing.

my advice is to not be so precious with the material. you can always scrape that shit back with the pallet knife. In fact, you SHOULD scrap back with the pallet knife.

do not put paint down with the intention of it being the final stroke. work that shit. scrape it back, and reaply it.

soon you will get a feel for the piece you are working on and be able to quickly make changes.

thats just the way i work though.

looking at the work you chose, i would say block in the shapes and colors. the bones of it. and all at once. dont focus on one object and then move to the next.

then scrap it all off. and do it again. but with more. blah blah.

dont get tight with it untill you really have the work down.


hah. sorry for the rant.

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: FiddlerOnTheRoof]
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FiddlerOnTheRoof said:


This is a master study i am currently working on for my painting 1 course, it is my finale.
Medium is oil on canvas.
Looking for feedback, i will update this through out the week as my work progresses, it is due this friday so wish me luck.:D


I would personally debate Dali being a master, but respect your choice. What are the dimensions of this ( is it only about 18''x24''? ) I think you did a good job in drawing the initial image, but you need way more paint :smile:

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: vampirism]
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how is dali not a master painter?

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: vampirism]
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I'd like to hear you debate such a thing. If one defines being a master as having mastered the techniques involved - then Dali is unquestionably one of the 20th century's greatest masters.


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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: chunder]
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chunder said:
I'd like to hear you debate such a thing. If one defines being a master as having mastered the techniques involved - then Dali is unquestionably one of the 20th century's greatest masters.


It's an issue about the root of painting, not some term you can throw around. I won't debate something in a context where you can't see where I could be coming from.

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: vampirism]
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Sort of a thread jack, but I'd still like to hear your side of this fairly common issue.

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: vampirism]
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?

that makes no sense at all, and really just sounds like a hokey cop out.

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: moosehead]
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moosehead said:
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that makes no sense at all, and really just sounds like a hokey cop out.


It makes me angry for people to throw around the term "master," to mean someone liked a lot and seems to know what they're doing.

Dali was not a painting master - his ideas were revolutionary in the context of his time and his images captivating. But he didn't do very much for painting itself - his technique is lacking in the eye of masters. Velasquez was a master of painting, arguably one of the most-skilled painters in all of history. Dali's technique was standard and image-oriented. This is why he is not a painting master.

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: vampirism]
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Art is entirely subjective, I don't think you can't truly say that one painter is master and one is not as if it's fact. It varies from person to person. Someone could argue that da Vinci is not a master and someone could argue for him. Everyone has a different opinion. But if using your definition of 'master' how is Dali not one? He was one of four prominent figures in the Surrealism movement. He had the ability to translate his thoughts, imagination, feelings and emotions onto canvas with such skill and consistency, so as to make the viewer understand his own thoughts or feelings (although this would vary with person to person too). How many artists are capable of doing what Dali did and to such an extent? I don't think a 'master' should be limited to being purely representational, having the exceptional skill of painting figures anatomically correct. Dali was exceptional at what he did, painting in the Surrealistic style, so wouldn't that qualify him as being a master of his craft?

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: alices_poppies]
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I do agree, though, that just being a popular artist is not enough

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: alices_poppies]
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alices_poppies said:
Someone could argue that da Vinci is not a master and someone could argue for him.


I have never heard anyone argue against DaVinci being a master painter....    :ohwell:


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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: PhanTomCat]
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Yeah me neither. Bad example. I was just trying to make the point that people have different opinions when it comes to art.

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: alices_poppies]
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alices_poppies said:
Yeah me neither. Bad example. I was just trying to make the point that people have different opinions when it comes to art.


But this is where I differed with you - a Master is a technical term of immense significance. If you call Dali a Master, it opens up the spectrum  considerably -- so considerably that the special term of Master is changed.

Dali was arguably a Master within surrealism -- but in the context of all Painting, he was just an influential painter.

Maybe he was a master, but not a Master.

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: vampirism]
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Okay, well when you put it like that I think I agree with you..But just curious, who's on your list of Masters and how would you go about deciding if one artist's technique is exceptional enough to be a Master?  What would qualify an artist to be a Master?
I hope I don't sound like a pretentious asshole or anything because it's hard to tell on the internet. I just think this is interesting because even though I do agree with you, kind of, I also feel like Dali could be a Master in that he had an influence on the entire scope of the painting world and even reached into other areas of art, like film, since he did sets for a Hitchcock movie.

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: alices_poppies]
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alices_poppies said:
Okay, well when you put it like that I think I agree with you..But just curious, who's on your list of Masters and how would you go about deciding if one artist's technique is exceptional enough to be a Master?  What would qualify an artist to be a Master?
I hope I don't sound like a pretentious asshole or anything because it's hard to tell on the internet. I just think this is interesting because even though I do agree with you, kind of, I also feel like Dali could be a Master in that he had an influence on the entire scope of the painting world and even reached into other areas of art, like film, since he did sets for a Hitchcock movie.


Well, when it gets to hardcore painting, there are a few names that will always stand out:

Rembrandt - you can learn basically all there is about painting from Rembrandt, his main contribution to the painting world was a myriad of various work, all with sensitive touch and a clear treatment of paint ( not in appearance necessarily, but certainly in technique )

Leonardo DaVinci - father of so many things, he laid down a structure of combining the analytical and geometric aspects of painting with room for intuition throughout the piece.

Velasquez - His handling of paint is revered by many Abstract Expressionists for its solidity throughout. Add to this  his constant (subtle) use of symbolism and uncanny ability to give life to painting. 

Vermeer - Super analytical, his vision of light is unique and among, if not the most, refined.


If I were to talk about "Modern Masters," the most striking thing to me is the combination of changing ideas of what an acceptable image is, and what the place of symbolism/story telling is. For me, a Master must be a person devoted partially to teaching others and spreading his understanding. When it comes to "Modern Masters," things get a bit more personal and subjective. I would personally choose Bacon and Guston as I find their philosophy and insight on painting to be unique, and still relevant.

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Re: Dali Master Study [Re: vampirism]
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dude way to get into semantics.

the guy was a master painter. he did surrealism and then later developed his own unique style. he brought something new to the table.


I don't really like his stuff that much, but whatever. it can still be used as a tool for teaching others about painting.

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