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OfflineBrAiN
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fucked up artists
    #4389500 - 07/10/05 12:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Weird, how certain artists have been so influential and seem to be so genious.... yet they are capable of such fucked up things:

Allen Ginsberg: One of the greatest modern poets/writers, yet a staunch supporter of NAMBLA, which supports pedophelia (did I spell that right?)

Jimi Hendrix: Awesome music, peace supporter, yet was known to beat up women who chose to hook up with his band mates over him


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: BrAiN]
    #4389513 - 07/10/05 12:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Genesis P. Orridge, member of Throbbing Gristle and COUM Transmissions got breast implants (he's a man). Their early performance art was also fucked up; consisting of live pornographic material. One of their works consisted solely of soiled diapers and tampons.. mmmm mmm mmm

I guess you're looking for normal musicians that have fucked-up things about them, whereas this whole band was always pretty fucked up :smirk:


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: BrAiN]
    #4389578 - 07/10/05 01:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

There is a fine line between genius and insanity, many cross back and forth over said line.


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: BrAiN]
    #4389706 - 07/10/05 02:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

And how can we forget people like Van Gogh, who cut off his own ear and gave it to a prostitute, seemingly out of some frustration with Gauguin...and ManRay, who took nude pictures of pre-teen girls...and Michael Jackson! I don't even have to say anything else about him.


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: BrAiN]
    #4389723 - 07/10/05 02:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

really now, i don't see any problem. everyone has their little imperfections...


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: BrAiN]
    #4390071 - 07/10/05 05:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I sometimes laugh and remember that Garcia used to sell handguns he stole from the army...


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: vampirism]
    #4390631 - 07/10/05 09:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Morrowind said:
really now, i don't see any problem. everyone has their little imperfections...




I don't call beating a chick's face in witha brick (hendrix) and advocating sex with 5 year old boys (ginsberg) a tiny imperfection... I call those chemical imbalances.


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: BrAiN]
    #4391043 - 07/11/05 12:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The "better" musicians in my opinion, have these problems because... the "odd" brain chemistry that enables them to create is also responsible for the negative things and problems they endure.


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: BrAiN]
    #4391059 - 07/11/05 12:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

naaaah


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: vampirism]
    #4391409 - 07/11/05 04:09 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

there are many people who are fucked up in this world. some just happened to become very accomplished artists. insanity does not create a genius.

a difference would be that the fucked up geniuses tend to be more socially accepted for such things.


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: BrAiN]
    #4394284 - 07/12/05 01:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Salvador Dali


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: Murex]
    #4397340 - 07/12/05 09:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What was fucked up about Dali?

I heard he supported the monarchy in spain during in the early 20th century.


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: BrAiN]
    #4400944 - 07/13/05 08:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I like how you started this post and your avatar is a pic of GNR.

I think that answers all your questions right there...

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Re: fucked up artists [Re: gluke bastid]
    #4401031 - 07/13/05 08:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Dude that shit about Ginsberg supporting nambla isn't true.

What happened was he wrote something supporting some of their free speech rights or something. He was not a member, and did not defend their views. Don't spread those lies around.

Artists are fucked up for the exact same reason they are brilliant. Their genius is inseperable from their insanity. No good artist is perfectly sane.


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: tomk]
    #4401061 - 07/13/05 08:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

pfft!

no good human is sane.


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: gluke bastid]
    #4401229 - 07/13/05 09:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

gluke bastid said:
I like how you started this post and your avatar is a pic of GNR.

I think that answers all your questions right there...

  :wink:




Axl was just an asshole... and slightly mysogynistic. I doubt he ever molested any kids. :wink:


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: tomk]
    #4401246 - 07/13/05 09:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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tomk said:
Dude that shit about Ginsberg supporting nambla isn't true.

What happened was he wrote something supporting some of their free speech rights or something. He was not a member, and did not defend their views. Don't spread those lies around.

Artists are fucked up for the exact same reason they are brilliant. Their genius is inseperable from their insanity. No good artist is perfectly sane.




You better let Wikipedia know that, then.

Allen Ginsberg was also a member of the North American Man/Boy Love Association, a group that seeks the social acceptance of pederasty and the abolishment of Age of Consent legislation. In 1994 the International Lesbian and Gay Association successfully banished all connections to the group in order to gain consultative status in the United Nations. Despite opposition from Ginsberg himself and modern gay rights founder Harry Hay, ILGA refused the group membership. Ginsberg said he supported NAMBLA's right to free speech because the hysteria over pederasty reminded him of the hysteria over gayness itself while he was growing up. When accused of supporting child molestation by a group of college students, Ginsberg defended his membership proclaiming "Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics, witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance - I'm a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too -- everybody does, who has a little humanity." In later interviews shortly before his death, he announced he would no longer attend gay pride events unless NAMBLA was allowed to march.

I got no problem with freedom of speech. JOining and supporting NAMBLA for me is the same as saying, "fuck it... we should be allowed to molest little kids who don't know anything about sex".


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: BrAiN]
    #4401962 - 07/14/05 01:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

As for what darkstar said. Genius, is a line seldomly crossed back over. My2sense. Always liked EBTG. A very out of place male, and a into place female making music. He for some part was having her sing his lyrics over his music. Point being. Chaaahh!.
Hooray for Nadja for letting her really express a point.


Edited by GreenBottleLou (07/14/05 01:39 AM)


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: BrAiN]
    #12462742 - 04/27/10 01:07 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Marleyn Manson enough said


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Re: fucked up artists [Re: gbhtrfv]
    #12464767 - 04/27/10 01:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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gbhtrfv said:
there are many people who are fucked up in this world.  some just happened to become very accomplished artists.  insanity does not create a genius.

a difference would be that the fucked up geniuses tend to be more socially accepted for such things.





Hunter S Thompson  said something to the effect of

"If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up"

a quote i really like AND agree with


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