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Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc.
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KrishnaDreamer said:
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why would a revolution from the outside be invalid?


who is supporting this revolution?

who says the iraqis don't genuinely want an extreme right wing socialist religious state? they already got the religion part down, seem pretty socialist to me as well.

why do you insist that your form of government will work for them? do you want to take the masks off their women as well? if you try and stage a revolution in their benefit, and they don't see you as benefiting them, guess what you become- thats right, an enemy. you are effectively invading their country, that's why al qaeda is able to recruit so many farm and towns people, because they are opposed to the war and want you gone, if they actually agreed with you and saw you as friendly, al qaeda would not even exist. you cannot force the people what they don't want, even if they are blinded.


I'm not advocating the creation of bullshit mini-americas across the globe. we know that our system of government is poorly suited to fit the needs of the religious convictions of many middle eastern countries.

What I do support is abolishing tyrannical theocracies and creating a system that both works and embraces their desire to remain in the stone age, without sectarian violence and soccer stadium murders.


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: Crasher]
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KrishnaDreamer said:
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-What, Al Qaeda killing, kidnapping, countless civilians in over a dozen asian countries? Fuck it, who cares...


it's not a matter of they are doing it, it's a matter of why. why are they inclined to incite terror? do they really just believe that they can kill any non "real" muslims? i don't know, seems a bit psychopathic to me. why are only western countries the only ones fighting terrorism? why isn't the whole world ridding us of this scourge if they are that bad? we do we have to be big brother?

also, i am in no way defending or condoning any acts of terrorism perpetrated by anyone, if they really only want a fundamental right wing islamic state, so be it, as long as the people are going to actively participate willingly.

second of all, why isn't the whole world pitching in? the majority seem like US troops, personally, i'm for non-intervention, but if they are in a position to attack us, im all willing to gun them down.

third, why the fuck is it taking so long? it's already been mother fucking almost 6 years, WW2 didn't even take this long, and that was a fucking world war, we're only fighting a few cells spread out across the world, doesn't seem like it'd take that long to fucking stake out all the caves in the middle east and sniper a mother fucker on a camel. wtf?


Dozens of countries throughout Asia are combating fundamentalists on a daily basis. The Philippines has dealing with MILF (Moro Islamic Liberation Front) and other organizations for decades. Nepal, Burma, Thailand, Indonesia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan, Turkey, everywhere.


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: Crasher]
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ok, but why would you even oppose that?

suppose the majority wanted a little spice in their lives, who says there cannot absolutely be murders?

i propose we save the mother fuckers who want to get out of that hell hole and let the rest of the mother fuckers do their thing, regardless whether or not it's a tyrannical dictatorship or anything else.


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: Crasher]
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lol, krishna got under your skin huh?


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: Crasher]
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ok, but you haven't answered my question, WHY?

why do they attract so many young recruits? are they really so sheltered that they'll join daddy's little club without a second guess? if the entire world were pitching in i don't see how small individualist terrorist groups could survive, unless they have masses of supporters, then the question becomes, WHY do they have so many supporters?


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: SleepyF0x]
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KrishnaDreamer said:
ok, but why would you even oppose that?

suppose the majority wanted a little spice in their lives, who says there cannot absolutely be murders?

i propose we save the mother fuckers who want to get out of that hell hole and let the rest of the mother fuckers do their thing, regardless whether or not it's a tyrannical dictatorship or anything else.


I don't think anyone should have to live under an oppressive regime, including us. That's all.


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: SleepyF0x]
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I'm not advocating the creation of bullshit mini-americas across the globe. we know that our system of government is poorly suited to fit the needs of the religious convictions of many middle eastern countries.


yeah, kinda how we're doing now? see new mcdonalds in iraq, capitalism is on it's way.

the US military just seems to be a capitalism spreading machine, to assimilate as many countries as possible, have everyone addicted to fast food, buy american cars and products, work for low wage, and whatever the fuck else is inherent in a capitalist society... oh that's right, consumerism.


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: SleepyF0x]
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KrishnaDreamer said:
ok, but you haven't answered my question, WHY?

why do they attract so many young recruits? are they really so sheltered that they'll join daddy's little club without a second guess? if the entire world were pitching in i don't see how small individualist terrorist groups could survive, unless they have masses of supporters, then the question becomes, WHY do they have so many supporters?


Take children heavily conditioned in religious zealotry, add an occupying force to sacred locations, add famine, generations of warfare, the prospect of attaining social status and immortality...


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: SleepyF0x]
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KrishnaDreamer said:
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I'm not advocating the creation of bullshit mini-americas across the globe. we know that our system of government is poorly suited to fit the needs of the religious convictions of many middle eastern countries.


yeah, kinda how we're doing now? see new mcdonalds in iraq, capitalism is on it's way.

the US military just seems to be a capitalism spreading machine, to assimilate as many countries as possible, have everyone addicted to fast food, buy american cars and products, work for low wage, and whatever the fuck else is inherent in a capitalist society... oh that's right, consumerism.


The military doesn't create the McDonalds. I shot bullets and dropped bombs, I sure as hell didn't deploy cluster munitions of french fries and big macs.


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: truekimbo2]
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Just a bit.


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: Crasher]
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hahah... but you sure paved the way.

it's like that dude who wanted to be a bomb disposal, in saving american lives, he's killing brown people, indirect effect of a direct cause.

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Take children heavily conditioned in religious zealotry, add an occupying force to sacred locations, add famine, generations of warfare, the prospect of attaining social status and immortality...


yeah... but why are the majority supporting them? surely if the masses were under such shit conditions the americans would be received as heroes. and all the terrorist mother fuckers couldn't be fucking like rabbits to replenish their lines of defenses, no they are recruiting in places that don't even know what america is, except when they saw their first pale skinned mother fucker who started shooting up their village.


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: SleepyF0x]
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That's a pretty huge generalization.

MILF has been a presence in the Philippines for years. We help train their army to fight them there. The appeal to join is the same as organized crime:Power, money, social status, invoking fear. A lot better than farming rice, no?


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: Crasher]
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hahaha you trained the MILF fighters!!!

but seriously, didn't you say milf were terrorists? or counter-terrorists?

i still don't believe that a little bribery would force entire towns and cities to become insurgents for terrorists, i mean if they knew that americans would help them eradicate oppressive terrorists why wouldn't they actively join the counter-terrorists? surely they don't think the americans would be weaker and easier to fight than the terrorists?


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: SleepyF0x]
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MILF is an insurgent organization. We train the Philippine military to fight them.


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: SleepyF0x]
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i'm in for another 10-15 minutes, gotta wake up semi-early tomorrow..


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: SleepyF0x]
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Man, I'm toast as it is. I'm sure we'll find something to argue about later.

Take it easy.


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: Crasher]
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alright, peace.


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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: SleepyF0x]
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MILF

:ilold: 

But on a serious note a few points:

- Iraq was never under Saddam Hussien a religious state. It was a secular republic, its why they had a war with Iran in the 80's
- Reguarding that war with Iran, there was certain secretary of defence, Donald Trump...no Rumsfeld, thats it, who visited Iraq and shook Saddams hand and pledged U.S support for Iraq against Iran


Basicly if we in the west, not just the U.S but Canada, and other Nato allies really wanted to do the right thing we would have intervined sooner in a lot of conflicts. I'm mainly looking at Africa here, places like Rwanda where 100's of thousands were brutally murdered in short periods of time. If we really cared about people we would put them before profit or economic concearns.

With any war you have to look at who benefits the most. In the case for Iraq I would personally say the defence contractors and the oil industry.

The Iraqi people have not benefitted from the invasion. The country is more divided along religious lines, there is depleated uranium everywhere, making Iraq a virtual toxic wasteland.

The Americans and their allies have alot to loose too. Around the world Americans are more hated than ever. There is no gain from the fighting to joe Q public from the war. Infact if anything the fighting in Iraq has detracted from the so called "war on terror".


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People around here are not paranoid enough. Everyone is a narc and our thoughts are being scanned as we speak. Any minute now a SWAT team is going to crash your door down and take you away for thought crimes.

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Re: Anarchy, brainwashed soldiers, etc. [Re: Blink Dog]
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Blink Dog said:
Basicly if we in the west, not just the U.S but Canada, and other Nato allies really wanted to do the right thing we would have intervined sooner


we did... in the 50s we installed the shaw into power, we
then helped to take him out of power, we supplied iran with
arms, we supplied iraq with arms, we gave them billions to
fund the fighting and keep things destabilized, we paved the
way for the Baath party to take power. we took money from
iran and sent it to nicaragua, be bought drugs and flew them
to bill clinton in arkansas, sold the drugs and bought more
arms and made a lot of people very wealthy

I mean seriously, we've been all up in the asses of the world
for decades... Mmmm, ya like that, yeah... who's yo daddy!


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