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Anarchy shouldn't be seen as an alternative to government. It's the result of government, and is part of the cycle of rule over a mass of people. Government rules over a people, and eventually the government collapses or the people fuck themselves. And then there's anarchy until a new form of government develops. Which eventually falls one way or another.
People who desire collapse, change, and to start over are respectable. But people who desire the chaotic stage in between the transition are foolish. That stage is the womb from which the new government is formed through the actions of people, and is the point which determines the new government. When planning to have a child, you don't anticipate pregnancy, but the child itself.
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No, it's the truth. What is a 'crime' is only defined by laws that are in place. When there is no law, no action can be objectively deemed a crime. That which is immoral or not can only be decided by personal opinion, which differs from person to person.
that sounds like shrugging off responsibility. and twisting around the words to change the meaning to suit your aims.
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Anarchy only works in a society without sociopaths.
Evil is among us, anarchy is doomed and will only generate even more sociopaths. Then you will have good groups vs evil groups, then you have alliances of groups and then you're back with a government again.
Once you realize, truly realize, that Evil people exist, then your worldview changes. Anarchy would be hell with those around.
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Re: anarchy [Re: Asante]
#7555483 - 10/24/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol evil exists? what's that?
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In current clinical use, psychopathy is most commonly diagnosed using the checklist devised by Emeritus Professor Robert Hare. He describes psychopaths as "intraspecies predators[14][15] who use charm, manipulation, intimidation, and violence[16][17][18] to control others and to satisfy their own selfish needs. Lacking in conscience and in feelings for others, they take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without guilt or remorse".[19] "What is missing, in other words, are the very qualities that allow a human being to live in social harmony."[20] Contents
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Re: anarchy [Re: Asante]
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that's not "evilness" if that's what you're trying to say. it's an illness.
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No, it's the truth. What is a 'crime' is only defined by laws that are in place. When there is no law, no action can be objectively deemed a crime. That which is immoral or not can only be decided by personal opinion, which differs from person to person.
that sounds like shrugging off responsibility. and twisting around the words to change the meaning to suit your aims.
He's not twisting anything around, I think you're just stupid. And where does responsibility come in to play with this? I have no responsibility to anyone but myself, to acquire things I desire or need. If there's no threat to my freedom for my actions, and someone has something I want, I would forcefully take it from them.
I'm not the only selfish person on this planet, I actually believe that the majority of the population share this quality with me.
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Its a medical approach to what they used to explain with demons and werewolves.
A psychopath isn't mentally ill in my view. They are just marching to a different drum than most of us.
"Intraspecies predators" says enough, but feel free to websearch the shit out of it. These people are at the root of many of the biggest problems of humanity. And anarchy would be their wildest dream come true.
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Re: anarchy [Re: Asante]
#7555633 - 10/24/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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He's not twisting anything around, I think you're just stupid. And where does responsibility come in to play with this? I have no responsibility to anyone but myself, to acquire things I desire or need. If there's no threat to my freedom for my actions, and someone has something I want, I would forcefully take it from them.
you should look up satanism.
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Actually I'm atheist. I still have a conscience.
I just know how people are, unlike you. And I am out in this world for myself. Someone like you would be sitting around saying why can't everyone just follow the 10 commandments and get along, until I come along with a gun, and take things from you. I would have prevented that from happening to myself in the first place, because that's just the way things are and you can't do shit about it.
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Re: anarchy [Re: Rustifer]
#7555701 - 10/24/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rustifer said: Actually I'm atheist. I still have a conscience.
I just know how people are, unlike you. And I am out in this world for myself. Someone like you would be sitting around saying why can't everyone just follow the 10 commandments and get along, until I come along with a gun, and take things from you. I would have prevented that from happening to myself in the first place, because that's just the way things are and you can't do shit about it.
calling people stupid is gay. glad there's an ocean between me and you.
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No, it's the truth. What is a 'crime' is only defined by laws that are in place. When there is no law, no action can be objectively deemed a crime. That which is immoral or not can only be decided by personal opinion, which differs from person to person.
that sounds like shrugging off responsibility. and twisting around the words to change the meaning to suit your aims.
You completely misunderstand.
Look up crime and you will find: "an act committed in violation of the law."
If there are is no law, there can be no violations of the law. People can still do bad things, but they are not crimes.
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And I believe calling things gay is stupid. Maybe you should learn to go out and get your own like most people.
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b0red5tiff said: calling people stupid is gay. glad there's an ocean between me and you.
Calling things gay is stupid.
I couldn't resist. But really, gay is a mindless insult. It has no real meaning, and is a good indicator of stupidity.
Edit: damn he beat me...
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No, it's the truth. What is a 'crime' is only defined by laws that are in place. When there is no law, no action can be objectively deemed a crime. That which is immoral or not can only be decided by personal opinion, which differs from person to person.
that sounds like shrugging off responsibility. and twisting around the words to change the meaning to suit your aims.
You completely misunderstand.
Look up crime and you will find: "an act committed in violation of the law."
If there are is no law, there can be no violations of the law. People can still do bad things, but they are not crimes.
i agree.
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Re: anarchy [Re: Rustifer]
#7555772 - 10/24/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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see, i think you guys are mixing up anarchy, and anarchism. Anarchy is the absence of rulers. Anarchism is the absence of rulers in which the people make and abide by their own laws.
There is no way in hell that something like anarchism would EVER work on a scale as large as the united states, because we have too many stupid and irresponsible people in it.
You can have rules without rulers to enforce them. That is a fact. Rules are nothing more than a concept. Rulers are that concept manifested into a governmental body. If rules didn't exist without rulers, then the law against thievery doesn't apply to me, because I've never broken such a law. (edit: this part seems really sketchy to me, and even i'm not sure what i meant here. Ill try to explain it later. Hopefully it makes sense to you.)
You see? just because i have never stolen doesn't mean that the law/rule against stealing doesn't still stand. Sure, rules and laws may fall down to the category of "guidelines", but that is why it is up to the people to rise to the category of responsible citizens.
Anarchism is an amazing idea, and is my idea of a perfect society. Nobody wrongs each other, nobody abuses power because nobody has more than the next person, and everyone gives each other's services to each other. There are PLENTY of different theories about how anarchism should work, and though i don't agree with some of them, it is definately not a ridiculous concept, and it is not stupid. I think anyone that sees it as such is looking from the completely wrong perspective.
Who is there to say that people would kill people for crack? Who's there to say that people can't live in harmony without knowing that the police will come to their door if they steal something from some one? Does that mean that people will be more inclined to do it? We can't say first hand.
But if a group of responsible people got together and formed an anarchist society, there would be nothing ridiculous about it.
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Essen
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You're right in that the concept itself isn't ridiculous, in fact, it would be great if the world worked like that, but it doesn't. Anywhere there are humans, hierarchies develop. Whether it be 2 or 2,000,000 people. The highest person or persons on that hierarchy becomes law and governs the people below. Therefore 'government' is developed and government defies anarchy. The only guaranteed working example of Anarchy is a single person living on their own without any outside influence.
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Re: anarchy [Re: Rustifer]
#7556109 - 10/24/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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sounds like what you are describing rustifier, i.e taking whatever you want from people and holding no responsiblility for any of them is the same thing as wiccan is describing in his view of psychopathy.
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Re: anarchy [Re: evolprim]
#7556114 - 10/24/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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unless you wanna clarify the distinction
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Re: anarchy [Re: Rustifer]
#7556356 - 10/24/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Honestly, its narrow minded to think that we live in some fascist nation that controls our lives. Sure the current administration is BS and most American governments control the people more than we would like to think. But the fact is, there aren't to many places in the world where you can sit at your computer and write on the internet about illegal drugs like we are now. The very fact that you can broadcast your ideas freely means that you are taking advantage of the opportunities a democracy provides.
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