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Yes I did.
I am not going to define it again. Why don't you describe for us your vision of life without involuntary government?
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Re: anarchy [Re: Rustifer]
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Rustifer said: I know if i would get away with it, and I saw a nig with a bunch of crack, I'd cap his ass and take that shit.
that's why you would need voluntary militia in an anarchistic society: to keep criminals like you at bay. people would band together because of the common understanding that helping each other pays off.
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that's why you would need voluntary militia in an anarchistic society: to keep criminals like you at bay. people would band together because of the common understanding that helping each other pays off.
What if he's in the voluntary militia and he does that?
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And who decides if it is permissible to take someone's crack or not?
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Rustifer said: I know if i would get away with it, and I saw a nig with a bunch of crack, I'd cap his ass and take that shit.
that's why you would need voluntary militia in an anarchistic society: to keep criminals like you at bay. people would band together because of the common understanding that helping each other pays off.
Don't call me a criminal because if there was no one to enforce anything I'd do what the fuck I want. Hell yah I would band together lots of Texas rednecks and we'd get guns and kill people with shit we want.
That's just the way shit would be.
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Re: anarchy [Re: Rustifer]
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That's just the way shit would be.
Exactly. If there are no laws there are no criminals.
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WhiskeyClone said: Yes I did.
I am not going to define it again. Why don't you describe for us your vision of life without involuntary government?
my vision of it would be as unromantic and realistic as possible, because all revolutions start with idealistic wishes and quickly become the same governmental types they tried to kill in the first place.
the rough idea would be to diminish the use of money and go back to the trade system: you-have-extra-pig-i-have-three-pairs-of-shoes-wanna-trade? money doesn't really exist and has no value except by the way of agreement. people should execute their abilities to best fit their skills: people who seem better at woodworking should be encouraged to work with wood, a person who has a way with words and has a good imagination should be encouraged to execute his/her skills at writing related areas and so on.
it wouldn't be a stupid "yeah let's go back to the dark age, we're all animals anyway and strenght equals might" bullshit. people should understand they should help their fellow man not because of profit and their own comfort but because we're all the same.
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that's why you would need voluntary militia in an anarchistic society: to keep criminals like you at bay. people would band together because of the common understanding that helping each other pays off.
What if he's in the voluntary militia and he does that?
if a person shoots and steals other persons shit that means he has no real life skills for survival except to take stuff by force. that leads to tyranny, where skilled and smart people are still needed and that leads to revolution, to overthrow the killers & bandits that live off the blood of others.
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That's just the way shit would be.
Exactly. If there are no laws there are no criminals.
that's childish.
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Re: anarchy [Re: Rustifer]
#7555282 - 10/24/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rustifer said: I know if i would get away with it, and I saw a nig with a bunch of crack, I'd cap his ass and take that shit.
Obviously never lived in the inner city... this happens all the time, law enforcement or not. Hell a lot of the time the law is in on it. But you were probably being sarcastic?
Back on the topic... If America's government was to collapse, it wouldn't be too long that it would look something similar to many regions of Africa. Small political extremists and other militias constantly fighting for territory, the economy would be run by private arms dealers and drug cartels, and boundaries would be constantly changing. Not going to happen though... but it's interesting to think of all the chaos.
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it wouldn't be a stupid "yeah let's go back to the dark age, we're all animals anyway and strenght equals might" bullshit. people should understand they should help their fellow man not because of profit and their own comfort but because we're all the same.
One look at your newspaper will tell you that human beings have obviously not reached that level of compassion yet. Do you really believe that collective epiphany would happen suddenly if we reverted to a state of no government? What reason do you have to believe that people would be willing to co-operate enough to make that work?
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Anarchy is a ridiculous concept, it relies on the intelligence and common sense of the average person, but unfortunately the average person is a fucking retard. It goes against human nature to live in a way that anarchy suggests, where there's no ruling authority, and small communities would have to be self-reliant. At some point a leader will step up, which has happened in every single communist government, which, from what I understand, follows a similar belief that with a little push from a government a community can become self-reliant and the need for a government will fade away. Without an authority to control and enforce a set regulation for conflict between parties, one party will naturally win dominance one way or another. And the way to that dominance is usually violence.
I wouldn't object to a little bit of temporary anarchy in this country, because the social values of the US are fucked and we could use a change. It's going to happen soon or a later and the sooner the better.
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because i'm willing to act like that even if i don't have any guarantee anyone else will.
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Anarchy is a ridiculous concept, it relies on the intelligence and common sense of the average person, but unfortunately the average person is a fucking retard.
thus it isn't ridiculous, but an ideal to strive for. to better yourself.
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It goes against human nature to live in a way that anarchy suggests
there is no human nature, just constant flowing and evolution.
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I wouldn't object to a little bit of temporary anarchy in this country, because the social values of the US are fucked and we could use a change. It's going to happen soon or a later and the sooner the better.
i agree.
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WhiskeyClone said: Yes I did.
I am not going to define it again. Why don't you describe for us your vision of life without involuntary government?
my vision of it would be as unromantic and realistic as possible, because all revolutions start with idealistic wishes and quickly become the same governmental types they tried to kill in the first place.
the rough idea would be to diminish the use of money and go back to the trade system: you-have-extra-pig-i-have-three-pairs-of-shoes-wanna-trade? money doesn't really exist and has no value except by the way of agreement. people should execute their abilities to best fit their skills: people who seem better at woodworking should be encouraged to work with wood, a person who has a way with words and has a good imagination should be encouraged to execute his/her skills at writing related areas and so on.
it wouldn't be a stupid "yeah let's go back to the dark age, we're all animals anyway and strenght equals might" bullshit. people should understand they should help their fellow man not because of profit and their own comfort but because we're all the same.
You're forgetting that people like to fuck other people over. And that leads to violence. And what you're saying IS a romantic concept. Because the world doesn't work like that. It the wild, a beast has to kill another beast in order to survive. A human is similar. A human has to fuck over another human to live... comfortably.
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Re: anarchy [Re: Essen]
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You're forgetting that people like to fuck other people over. And that leads to violence.
they do, i agree with you. it's just that i've had enough of it and i'm just sick of it and ask "how can i change that?" the answer is of course that i can't, i can only change myself.
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Nothing is stopping you from treating others with compassion, and leading by example in that respect. In fact, I think individuals demonstrating such compassion is the only thing that can save us from anarchy, and its inseparable cousin, widespread violence.
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DimensionX said: I would be more worried about being taken over by a group within your own country. This would certainly happen, thats why anarchy dosent work, theres always a group of people smart enough and power crazed enough to band together and take everything over.
there's also those of us smart enough to recognize that problem and handle it according to the laws under this new non-government. Seriously, what do you think it is that stops most people from righting a few wrongs

some laws are beneficial but other laws prevent justice from truly being served

no one can rise up and take over if there is impunity for 'crimes' that better humanity. what would you be willing to do to protect yourself and
those you care about if you knew that there would be no consequence, no question and very possibly some public recognition/reward
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That's just the way shit would be.
Exactly. If there are no laws there are no criminals.
that's childish.
If you think that's childish, then you're one naive little boy.
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That's just the way shit would be.
Exactly. If there are no laws there are no criminals.
that's childish.
No, it's the truth. What is a 'crime' is only defined by laws that are in place. When there is no law, no action can be objectively deemed a crime. That which is immoral or not can only be decided by personal opinion, which differs from person to person.
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