kay62105 said:

But im just going to fill in Ron Paul, and Hillary and Mike Gravel LOL, ill show that poll who's boss!!!

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nenl said:

gotta love TV - depending on what station you watch, the story, and blame is very different. FOX News seems to be the best in regard to showing both sides of the story.

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guruu said:

And if Palin happens to become president...sweet jesus, we are so fucked.

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A Wasted Vote

by Chuck Baldwin
October 10, 2008


When asked why they will not vote for a third party candidate, many people will respond by saying something like, "He cannot win." Or, "I don't want to waste my vote." It is true: America has not elected a third party candidate since 1860. Does that automatically mean, however, that every vote cast for one of the two major party candidates is not a wasted vote? I don't think so.

In the first place, a wasted vote is a vote for someone you know does not represent your own beliefs and principles. A wasted vote is a vote for someone you know will not lead the country in the way it should go. A wasted vote is a vote for the "lesser of two evils." Or, in the case of John McCain and Barack Obama, what we have is a choice between the "evil of two lessers."

Albert Einstein is credited with saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. For years now, Republicans and Democrats have been leading the country in the same basic direction: toward bigger and bigger government; more and more socialism, globalism, corporatism, and foreign interventionism; and the dismantling of constitutional liberties. Yet, voters continue to think that they are voting for "change" when they vote for a Republican or Democrat. This is truly insane!

Take a look at the recent $700 billion Wall Street bailout: both John McCain and Barack Obama endorsed and lobbied for it. Both McCain and Obama will continue to bail out these international banksters on the backs of the American taxpayers. Both McCain and Obama support giving illegal aliens amnesty and a path to citizenship. In the debate this past Tuesday night, both McCain and Obama expressed support for sending U.S. forces around the world for "peacekeeping" purposes. They also expressed support for sending combat forces against foreign countries even if those countries do not pose a threat to the United States. Neither Obama nor McCain will do anything to stem the tide of a burgeoning police state or a mushrooming New World Order. Both Obama and McCain support NAFTA and similar "free trade" deals. Neither candidate will do anything to rid America of the Federal Reserve, or work to eliminate the personal income tax, or disband the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Both Obama and McCain support the United Nations. So, pray tell, how is a vote for either McCain or Obama not a wasted vote?

But, back to the "he cannot win" argument: to vote for John McCain is to vote for a man who cannot win. Yes, I am saying it here and now: John McCain cannot win this election. The handwriting is on the wall. The Fat Lady is singing. It is all over. Finished. John McCain cannot win.

With only three weeks before the election, Barack Obama is pulling away. McCain has already pulled his campaign out of Michigan. In other key battleground states, McCain is slipping fast. He was ahead in Missouri; now it is a toss-up or leaning to Obama. A couple of weeks ago, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida were all leaning towards McCain, or at least toss-up states. Now, they are all leaning to Obama. Even the longtime GOP bellwether state of Indiana is moving toward Obama. In addition, new voter registrations are at an all-time high, and few of them are registering as Republicans. In fact, the Republican Party now claims only around 25% of the electorate, and Independents are increasingly leaning toward Obama.

Ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama is headed for an electoral landslide victory over John McCain. John McCain can no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton.

I ask, therefore, Are not conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain guilty of the same thing that they accuse people who vote for third party candidates of doing? Are they not voting for someone who cannot win? Indeed, they are. In fact, conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain are not only voting for a man who cannot win, they are voting for a man who does not share their own beliefs and principles. If this is not insanity, nothing is!

So, why not (for once in your life, perhaps) cast a vote purely for principle! Vote for someone who is truly pro-life. Someone who would quickly secure our nation's borders, and end the invasion of our country by illegal aliens. Someone who would, on his first day in office, release Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean and fire U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton. Someone who would immediately, upon assuming office, begin leading the charge to dismantle the Federal Reserve, overturn the 16th Amendment, expunge the IRS, and return America to sound money principles. Someone who would get the US out of the UN. Someone who would stop spending billions and trillions of dollars for foreign aid. Someone who would prosecute the Wall Street bankers who defrauded the American people out of billions of dollars. Someone who would work to repeal NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, the WTO, and stop the NAFTA superhighway. Someone who would say a resounding "No" to the New World Order. Someone who would stop using our brave men and women in uniform as global cops for the United Nations. Someone who would stop America's global adventurism and interventionism. Someone who would steadfastly support and defend the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

"Who is this person?" you ask. Go here to find out:

BALDWIN '08

As John Quincy Adams said, "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

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kay62105 said:

I'll take Biden over Palin any day.

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Prisoner#1 said:

give me a do nothing governor any day

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guruu said:

I don't really need to do research to see that Sarah Palin is dangerously unqualified in just about every way to hold any sort of executive office.

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guruu said:

Prisoner#1 said:

give me a do nothing governor any day

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You would rather have Palin as president than Biden?  I'm sorry, thatis incorrect.

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niteowl said:

guruu said:

I don't really need to do research to see that Sarah Palin is dangerously unqualified in just about every way to hold any sort of executive office.

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She is just as qualified as Clinton was.

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guruu said:

Prisoner#1 said:

give me a do nothing governor any day

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You would rather have Palin as president than Biden?  I'm sorry, that is incorrect.

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my opinion is incorrect? I'd love to hear how that can be.

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I'm way to lazy and apathetic to respond to the facts

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I guess that explains why so many people support the obama/biden campaign, they're simply too lazy or apathetic to do a little reading, it's so much easier to listen to how obama is all for change, where I come from we see two kinds of change, one for the good, one for the worse... which did obama say he was for? and he picked the man that 'wrote the legislation' to outlaw more and more drugs, wrote the legislation to prosecute innocent people under the rave act...

very good choice

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I don't really need to do research to see that Sarah Palin is dangerously unqualified in just about every way to hold any sort of executive office.

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kinda like the guy running for president, the junior senator
from illinois, a guy that's held public office less time than
palin has, one that has yet to hold an executive position like
palin has... a man that's unqualified to hold any executive
office by his own admission. again, that makes so much sense.

guruu said:

It's embarrassing that somebody of her ability is even on a ticket.

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  Come on, surely you can see this?  I'm not all over Obama's nuts or anything, but I think I can feel pretty secure in this particular declaration.

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guruu said:

I won't argue that hype is Obama's biggest ally at this point, but at the very least he appears to be a thoughtful and articulate individual, and personally I think that matters.

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