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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: Platinum]
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Platinum said:
Sure they go through training, it's like going to college to get your BA... college is training too.

not saying all cops are like that, but you can't tell me a lot of cops dont like giving people a hard time when they don't need to. If this is what you're saying, then you obviously haven't encountered many cops (or at least cops in my area)



Cops in my area would like nothing more than ordering me around tripping on their power high.


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: Platinum]
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Platinum said:
cops are pigs... they like making peoples lives miserable. After all, they are at work. When they pull someone over it's keeping them busy so the longer they can hold someone, the less bored they are.

hate pigs. speaking of which... theres should be a pig/cop smiley.



Not all cops are assholes. Just the majority of ones that I have come into contact with. I have encountered cool cops. One cop found a bong in my car when I was 17 and gave it back, telling me to hide it better before another cop comes along and takes me to jail for it. He was really cool.


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: blissedout]
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yeah, not all cops are pigs, ill agree with that.

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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: Platinum]
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Platinum said:
Sure they go through training, it's like going to college to get your BA... college is training too.




Its not "like going to college".

First you need a college degree in a related field,
then you need to apply,
go through several interviews,
and be accepted to the academy.
Then you have a 6 month boot camp + classes that take up at least 10 hours a day of your time.
On the weekends during the academy they will have you doing bullshit parking/security guard duty for local events.
After graduating from the academy, you still have to apply for the job, and jump through a fuck load of political hoops, medical screenings, absurdly thorough background checks, and a very very long lie detector interview in which you must admit every illegal/"immoral" thing you have ever done.
If you are hired you still have several months of riding around with an officer shadowing him (doing bitch work) and attending more classes....and then tests...tests....tests, until Finlay you are certified.

Its a long fucking process that requires an enormous amount of dedication.

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If this is what you're saying, then you obviously haven't encountered many cops (or at least cops in my area)



I don't know where you live, but my best friend is a cop.


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: blewmeanie]
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blewmeanie said:
Platinum said:
Sure they go through training, it's like going to college to get your BA... college is training too.




Its not "like going to college".

First you need a college degree in a related field,
then you need to apply,
go through several interviews,
and be accepted to the academy.
Then you have a 6 month boot camp + classes that take up at least 10 hours a day of your time.
On the weekends during the academy they will have you doing bullshit parking/security guard duty for local events.
After graduating from the academy, you still have to apply for the job, and jump through a fuck load of political hoops, medical screenings, absurdly thorough background checks, and a very very long lie detector interview in which you must admit every illegal/"immoral" thing you have ever done.
If you are hired you still have several months of riding around with an officer shadowing him (doing bitch work) and attending more classes....and then tests...tests....tests, until Finlay you are certified.

Its a long fucking process that requires an enormous amount of dedication.

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If this is what you're saying, then you obviously haven't encountered many cops (or at least cops in my area)



I don't know where you live, but my best friend is a cop.



you are assuming that experience is required everywhere, it is not. Some suburbs do require 4 year degrees and lie detectors etc. but in detroit all you need is a highschool diploma and what equates to a rough trade school program.


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: rodfarva]
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rodfarva said:
blewmeanie said:
Platinum said:
Sure they go through training, it's like going to college to get your BA... college is training too.




Its not "like going to college".

First you need a college degree in a related field,
then you need to apply,
go through several interviews,
and be accepted to the academy.
Then you have a 6 month boot camp + classes that take up at least 10 hours a day of your time.
On the weekends during the academy they will have you doing bullshit parking/security guard duty for local events.
After graduating from the academy, you still have to apply for the job, and jump through a fuck load of political hoops, medical screenings, absurdly thorough background checks, and a very very long lie detector interview in which you must admit every illegal/"immoral" thing you have ever done.
If you are hired you still have several months of riding around with an officer shadowing him (doing bitch work) and attending more classes....and then tests...tests....tests, until Finlay you are certified.

Its a long fucking process that requires an enormous amount of dedication.

Quote:
If this is what you're saying, then you obviously haven't encountered many cops (or at least cops in my area)



I don't know where you live, but my best friend is a cop.



you are assuming that experience is required everywhere, it is not. Some suburbs do require 4 year degrees and lie detectors etc. but in detroit all you need is a highschool diploma and what equates to a rough trade school program.



Most places require a degree even if they dont list it as an official requirement. If you dont have one, you will most likely get passed over.

Detroit
Minimum Requirements
■ At least 18 years of age
■ A U.S. citizen
■ Vision must be 20/20 or corrected 20/20 in each
  eye. Depth perception and color vision must be
  normal.
■ A valid Michigan driver’s license and acceptable
  driving record
■ A high school diploma or a valid GED
■ No felony conviction, (even if expunged)

M.C.O.L.E.S.
Pre-Employment Test
In order to proceed in the hiring process with the
Detroit Police Department, you are required to pass the
Michigan Commission on Law Enforcement Standards
(M.C.O.L.E.S.) Pre-employment Test.
The test consists of 120 multiple choice questions.
Half of the questions measure writing skills and half
measure reading comprehension. The test measures
skills required both in training and on-the-job.
There is a $62.00 fee for the M.C.O.L.E.S. Preemployment
Test. You may register for the test by:
1. Visiting the www.MCOLES.org website and scheduling
    the test. A debit or credit card is required for
    this method of registration.
2. If you do not have a debit or credit card, contact
    Performance Based Selection (PBS) directly to make
    payment arrangements at 1-877-422-4092.

M.C.O.L.E.S.
Physical Fitness Test
The M.C.O.L.E.S. Physical Fitness Test consists of
four separate events: vertical jump, sit-ups, push ups,
and a ½ mile run.
The physical fitness test must be taken no sooner than
180 days before the beginning of the training academy
session. Tests are offered only at training academies,
which are under M.C.O.L.E.S. supervision.
There is a $45.00 fee for the test.
The results of the test will be reported as Pass or Fail.
Official notification of the results will be given to you
the same day.


DETROIT POLICE DEPARTMENT HIRING PROCESS

1. Complete DPD Interest Card
2. Receive Information Package
Overview of the MCOLES Exams
List of documents required for application process
3. Take MCOLES Written Exam: Register Online Fee $62.
(Results must be personally submitted before you are able to proceed in the Recruiting process)
Will receive notification via telephone or U.S. mail for prescreening interview date
4. Participate in prescreening interview
Await Criminal History and Driving Record checks
Receive notice of acceptance into Application Orientation or the reason for disqualification
5. Attend Application Orientation (2 Hrs)
Receive Application Package
Assigned Background Interview Date
Receive information pertaining to the MCOLES (Physical Agility Test) the $45 fee is waived (one time only).
YOU MUST HAVE TAKEN AND PASSED THE MCOLES (PAT) NO LESS THAN 30 DAYS PRIOR TO YOUR BACKGROUND INTERVIEW DATE
6. Appear for background interview
Assigned a day to go the DPD Headquarters for fingerprinting (Sat/Sun)
If your background investigation is cleared, you will you proceed to the Final Oral Board assessment.
Oral Board Assessment ( If Successful, you will receive a Conditional offer of employment and proceed to the
Psychological Phrase)
7. Enter Psychological Phase
Written and oral psychological Interview with psychologist.
Receive notification via telephone or U.S. mail of pre-employment physical exam date or disqualification.
8. Take pre-employment physical exam (if cleared you will proceed)
9. Receive acceptance letter with date of final orientation
10. HIRED

Basic Training
Upon being hired by the City of Detroit Police
Department, successful candidates become Student
Police Officers.
Basic training consists of a minimum of 562 hours
or 19 weeks of course instruction. During basic training,
Student Police Officers are expected to maintain
an overall scholastic average of seventy percent (70%).
Students unable to maintain this average will not be eligible
to take the M.C.O.L.E.S. (Michigan Commission
on Law Enforcement Standards) Final Certification
Examination. Courses and examinations include:
■ Practical Precision Driving Training and Exam
■ Criminal Law and Procedures Quizzes
■ Physical Conditioning and Training
■ Defensive Tactics Training Program and Exam
■ Firearms Training and Exam
■ First Aid/CPR- Cardio-Pulmonary Resuscitation
  Training and Exam

Michigan Commission
on Law Enforcement
Standards Final
Certification Examination
A representative from the State of Michigan will
conduct the orientation preceding the examination
and will proctor the M.C.O.L.E.S. Final Certification
Examination. The examination is approximately 3½
hours long and consist of 200 multiple choice questions.
Graduates of basic training must must pass the state
examination.

Graduation
Upon successful completion of the basic training
program and the M.C.O.L.E.S. Final Certification
Examination, graduate Student Police Officers are
sworn in as bonafide Detroit Police Officers.


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: blewmeanie]
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i dont see anything there that invalidates my statement. I never meet DPD officers with four year degrees, unless they are in special divisions/positions.


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: rodfarva]
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rodfarva said:
i dont see anything there that invalidates my statement. I never meet DPD officers with four year degrees, unless they are in special divisions/positions.



Everything doesn't need to be an argument, I wasn't trying to invalidate your statement. You are correct, Detroit does not require a university degree, I was only offering my perspective on the process.


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: blewmeanie]
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blewmeanie said:
rodfarva said:
i dont see anything there that invalidates my statement. I never meet DPD officers with four year degrees, unless they are in special divisions/positions.



Everything doesn't need to be an argument, I wasn't trying to invalidate your statement. You are correct, Detroit does not require a university degree, I was only offering my perspective on the process.




Im just trying to nail home the point that cops around here really dont have to know a whole lot. I bet there decision making in a crisis is strong, but i dont have faith they consider very many aspects of thought, but merely follow directives. That combined with a $28,000 starting salarie, and its not hard to see there arnt a whole lot of 'good' cops running around this city. Sure they might let you off with a warning for pot, but they will also lie to cover a civilrights violation etc.


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: blewmeanie]
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You have a cop best friend in Gainesville?

:runaway:


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: blissedout]
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i have noticed that the fuckin drunks cant keep their heads still and follow it by turning their head not following with their eyes.

:smile:


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: smily]
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Where have you seen this happen?


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: blissedout]
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blissedout said:
You have a cop best friend in Gainesville?

:runaway:



Indeed

:shiftyeyes:


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: blissedout]
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blissedout said:
You have a cop best friend in Gainesville?

:runaway:



Ha, isnt that where you got aressted?


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: rodfarva]
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No, my case is way farther south.


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: blissedout]
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either way, fuck florida. Man im so tempted to go work down there. I could get an awesome job but im worried about to many things that go on there that arnt on the radar here so to speak.


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: rodfarva]
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Yeah, there's no way that i would ever move to Florida. Their laws on herb are way too strict. Plus, they have mandatory minimum sentencing.


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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The nystagmus test.. A cop pulls you over, gives you 125mg MDMA and if you get nystagmus it is proven you do not have an Ecstasy tolerance. :rockon:

The most typical nystagmus-causing drugs are MDMA, PCP and Ketamine.


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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Platinum said:
^^ well that's why theres a bunch of tests and not just 1. they also have you walk a straight line, or stand on 1 foot and touch your nose, or whatever.



I failed a field sobriety test and hadnt had anything in 3
years, I kept asking the cop to give me a breathalyzer and he
wouldnt until after I failed the test, he could have saved me
the time, embarrassment and skinned elbow but he wanted it his way



You will always "fail" the field sobriety tests.  The tests are not designed as a pass or fail...  They are there to put more evidence against you and to be used to further back up the breathalyzer test.  It is to help convince the judge/jury/prosecutor that you "failed" the tests and also the breathalyzer came back having you over the limit and prove guilt.  Remember beyond reasonable doubt.

FUCK THE POLICE.

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Re: Police officer Nystagmus test [Re: Liquidkick]
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Liquidkick said:
Prisoner#1 said:
Platinum said:
^^ well that's why theres a bunch of tests and not just 1. they also have you walk a straight line, or stand on 1 foot and touch your nose, or whatever.



I failed a field sobriety test and hadnt had anything in 3
years, I kept asking the cop to give me a breathalyzer and he
wouldnt until after I failed the test, he could have saved me
the time, embarrassment and skinned elbow but he wanted it his way



You will always "fail" the field sobriety tests.  The tests are not designed as a pass or fail...  They are there to put more evidence against you and to be used to further back up the breathalyzer test.  It is to help convince the judge/jury/prosecutor that you "failed" the tests and also the breathalyzer came back having you over the limit and prove guilt.  Remember beyond reasonable doubt.

FUCK THE POLICE.



Never saw it that way, FTP!


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