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Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/palin.investigation/index.html



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An Alaska judge warned Gov. Sarah Palin's family against trying to get her then-brother-in-law fired, according to court records.

That warning came long before the controversy over her dismissal of the brother-in-law's boss, the state's public safety commissioner, records show.

Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president, is battling allegations she and her advisers pressured Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan to fire her sister's husband, State Trooper Mike Wooten.

Palin's sister, Molly McCann, and Wooten were in the process of getting a divorce when the judge hearing the couple's case said McCann's family appeared to be putting Wooten's job at risk at a time when he would be required to pay child support.

"It appears for the world that Ms. McCann and her family have decided to take after the guy's livelihood, that whatever who did what to whom has overridden good judgment," Superior Court Judge John Suddock said during an October 2005 hearing. "Aesop told us not to slay the goose that lays the golden egg. For whatever reason, people are trying to slay the goose here, and it tends to diminish his earning capacity."

At the time, Palin was a private citizen and would not become governor until 2006. In complaints filed with the state police, she and other relatives had accused Wooten of threatening her family during the divorce.

Suddock was in the process of settling the couple's property and child-support arrangements in the 2005 hearing. The judge said his decision might have been different had Wooten's continued employment with the state police been more certain.

"The plaintiff's table has created a situation where that is a very fragile outcome," he said.

Wooten's union representative testified that the trooper was the subject of a "constant stream" of complaints from his ex-wife's family. "If things don't change, Mike's career is in jeopardy," the union rep said.

"My advice to Mike was to find another job," said John Cyr, now executive director of the Public Safety Employees Association. "I think he needs, career-wise, to look for work elsewhere."

CNN obtained audio recordings of the hearing from the court clerk's office in Anchorage, Alaska. Roberta Erwin, the attorney who represented McCann, declined comment on the case Wednesday, and other representatives of the governor did not immediately return phone calls.

Wooten was suspended for five days in March 2006, after state police commanders determined he had used a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson "in a training capacity," drove his patrol car while drinking beer and illegally shot a moose using his wife's hunting permit.

In a February 2008 hearing over new custody issues, Wooten briefly complained that "disparagement" by his ex-wife's family was continuing.

Complaints about Wooten from Palin and her family have been under scrutiny since Gov. Palin's July firing of Monegan, whose duties included management of the state police force. After his dismissal, Monegan said he was fired because he refused to succumb to pressure from the governor's office to fire Wooten, and his allegations have led to an investigation by the state Legislature.

Palin has denied any wrongdoing, saying the commissioner was removed because of disagreements over budget issues. Her attorneys have called Wooten a "rogue trooper" and said no one in the governor's family knew of his suspension until after Monegan's dismissal.

Spokesmen for Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign have said the legislative probe has become a "political circus" since McCain tapped Palin as his running mate in August.

Palin originally pledged to cooperate with the investigation and disclosed that members of her administration had contacted state police officials nearly two dozen times to discuss Wooten. But last week, she asked the state personnel board to conduct its own probe, and a string of witnesses has failed to show up at scheduled depositions with the investigator hired by the Legislature.

Last week, Cyr's union filed its own complaint against Palin and top aides, accusing them of improperly attempting to use confidential information from Wooten's personnel files against him. The McCain campaign says Wooten agreed to release his files during the divorce proceedings, and the information was in the public domain.




So what's the reaction? Will this result in late season ammo for the Democrats? Considering that it occurred before Palin was governor I think it won't look good for her case as a "good ethics reformer."


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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: Gastronomicus]
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shes already under investigation
the results are due to be released in October
i cant waittttttttttttttttt


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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: Coaster]
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dream on if you think any of this is gonna stick...were stuck with mccain and palin until 2017.. by which point they will have effectively silenced all political opposition to repugnican rule...


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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: Annapurna1]
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ya right floozy
obama won


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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: Coaster]
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Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president, is battling allegations she and her advisers pressured Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan to fire her sister's husband, State Trooper Mike Wooten.




what crap.


No, she's battling allegations that she did something improper to influence them to fire her sister's husband and/or fired ol walt improperly.  Are you somehow not allowed to fire your family or something now? 


Either way, coaster aside, this investigation is stupid.

It is utterly inconceivable how this could take till octoer to e concluded.  What exactly are they doing till then?  Interview the principle witnesses and make a decision.  To anyone else it seems obvious, barring some new evidence, that she did nothing wrong.


Can anyone cite me a law she broke or suggest how the evidence makes it probable she did something wrong?


Btw, has anyone heard from ol walt?  Why didn't he fire the person?  Was their a legitimate reason for him not to?

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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: Gastronomicus]
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Gastronomicus said:
So what's the reaction? Will this result in late season ammo for the Democrats? Considering that it occurred before Palin was governor I think it won't look good for her case as a "good ethics reformer."




take into consideration that the warning was about costing a
man his job when he was soon to be paying child support, will
the dems try and run with it anyway, of course

did the man deserve to lose his job? you tell me

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Wooten was suspended for five days in March 2006, after state police commanders determined he had used a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson "in a training capacity," drove his patrol car while drinking beer and illegally shot a moose using his wife's hunting permit



in my opinion, criminal prosecution and loss of job would be
the least he deserves, should he shoot the kid to learn to use
a pistol?

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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Shit I thought drunk driving and shooting mooses on duty was what Alaskan State Troopers were all about. But it's not about him being incompetent, she certainly does have the right to fire him for failure to perform his duty. The question is, did she fire him for incompetence or did she fire him for personal reasons? And if more stuff like this comes to light it's going to look really bad for Palin.


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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
It is utterly inconceivable how this could take till octoer to e concluded.  What exactly are they doing till then?  Interview the principle witnesses and make a decision.





What if you can't get to the principle witnesses?

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Palin originally pledged to cooperate with the investigation and disclosed that members of her administration had contacted state police officials nearly two dozen times to discuss Wooten. But last week, she asked the state personnel board to conduct its own probe, and a string of witnesses has failed to show up at scheduled depositions with the investigator hired by the Legislature.





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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: Gastronomicus]
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So what?

Interview everyone.  Those who don't care to talk don't.

I really don't see how she can decline to be interviewed, however; and that seems dumb.


Subpoena whoever they want, compell those who won't show up, and arrest em after that.  If they still won't talk issue a damn report and revise if the folks ever decide jail sucks or it appears they won't talk and would rather just be prosecuted.


Either way, it sounds like folks will just plead the fifth, but that might not look too hot for a VP candidate.

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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: johnm214]
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Yeah, I don't think she'll be convicted. But this is still a mid-election investigation. One involving both ethics and abuse of executive power. If the public opinion begins to shift towards the guilty side then it will almost certainly negatively effect the McCain/Palin ticket. Especially since she's become the flag bearer of their base.


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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: Gastronomicus]
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Gastronomicus said:
Shit I thought drunk driving and shooting mooses on duty was what Alaskan State Troopers were all about.




:rofl2:

That was great. Bonus points for "mooses"


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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: Gastronomicus]
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Gastronomicus said:
But it's not about him being incompetent, she certainly does have the right to fire him for failure to perform his duty.




it's about him being a menace to public safety, she didnt fire
him, she wasnt a public official, she fired his boss when she
became one. media spin is the only thing that will make it
look bad for palin, but given you've already managed to twist
it, it wont be hard for the media to do the same

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/25/national/main3537803.shtml

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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: Prisoner#1]
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He admits to tasering a young child. the nutcase should be in Prison.


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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: lonestar2004]
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He admits to tasering a young child. the nutcase should be in Prison.




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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:
He admits to tasering a young child. the nutcase should be in Prison.




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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: whattheheck]
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whattheheck said:
lonestar2004 said:
He admits to tasering a young child. the nutcase should be in Prison.







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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: Gastronomicus]
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Gastronomicus said:
Yeah, I don't think she'll be convicted. But this is still a mid-election investigation. One involving both ethics and abuse of executive power. If the public opinion begins to shift towards the guilty side then it will almost certainly negatively effect the McCain/Palin ticket. Especially since she's become the flag bearer of their base.



Well let us look at it from another perspective. Say she hadn't have fired him and all of this stuff came out about him tasering his 10 year old step son, driving drunk, illegally shooting moose, threatening his (ex?) wife's father and families lives, etc.. You people would be going crazy saying that the only reason this crooked pig was allowed to keep his job was because he's the sisters (ex?) husband.

She made the right decision firing the piece of shit. Crooked cops should be stripped of their badges.

I ask you, what do you think? Do you honestly believe she fired him solely based on personal issues?

I'd sure as fuck fire my brother in law (or anybody for that matter) if I found out he was using a state issued taser to abuse his son. It's nothing personal it's that he's not fit to be a fucking police officer.


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Edited by matt (09/11/08 03:08 PM)

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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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Wooten, the nutjob trooper, has not been fired.  Monegan, the Public Safety Officer originally appointed by Palin, was offered another position but declined.  He is thus the person fired, not the nutjob.  The nutjob is protected by unions and was only suspended for about a week by Monegan's predecessor.  He remains at large.


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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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matt said:
Well let us look at it from another perspective. Say she hadn't have fired him and all of this stuff came out

She made the right decision firing the piece of shit. Crooked cops should be stripped of their badges.

I'd sure as fuck fire my brother in law




what's so difficult to understand

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That warning came long before the controversy over her dismissal of the brother-in-law's boss, the state's public safety commissioner, records show.


At the time, Palin was a private citizen and would not become governor until 2006.




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Re: Judge Warned Palin in Troopergate [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:
He admits to tasering a young child. the nutcase should be in Prison.



Don't tase me bro!


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