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Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking
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Ecstasy 'safer' than binge drinking
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Young Queenslanders would be safer if they swore off binge drinking and instead consumed a small amount of ecstasy, a prominent researcher at Queensland's Alcohol and Drug Research Centre (QADREC) says.

In the wake of new data which shows more young Queenslanders are switching to ecstasy following the Rudd Government's 70 per cent tax hike on alcopops, QADREC director Professor Jake Najman said ecstasy was actually a "lesser evil" than binge drinking.

However, the statement brought a stinging rebuke from another researcher, who cited the 1995 death of Sydney schoolgirl Anna Wood after she took an ecstasy pill at a dance party.

Professor Najman, who has a PhD in Social Epidemiology and a Bachelor's degree (Hons) in Medical Sociology, said ecstasy was "relatively benign if taken in small quantities".

"When young people switch from a substantial amount of alcohol to a small amount of ecstasy ... I don't think that's a bad trade at all," Professor Najman said.

"It is not likely that one pill on a Saturday night poses the same dangers as frequent binge drinking."

Illicit drug use is associated with around 1000 deaths per year in Australia. However, Professor Najman said ecstasy was actually "cheaper and safer" for young people than excessive amounts of alcohol.

"Even drug-related problems, including psychotic episodes and violent behaviour are not seen with ecstasy, as they are with amphetamines and alcohol," he said.



This guy is a professor at my university (UQ represent!) I wonder if the government will take any notice? I'm not holding my breath. People will continue to use that 1995 death in a stupid appeal-to-emotion argument, or they'll point out that ecstasy is sometimes laced with more dangerous drugs, which is only a problem because it's illegal.


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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: zouden]
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And how many people die a year from alcohol?


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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: Shroomism]
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I don't think the researcher is taking into account possible long term effects of ecstasy on neurological function. hes probably right that its safer in the short term than binge drinking, which is obviously responsible for related deaths.

As for the long term, who can say, not enough research has been done


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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: Mickalopagus]
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police dont care

bout the $$

this is interesting though


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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: Mickalopagus]
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mickdawg666 said:
I don't think the researcher is taking into account possible long term effects of ecstasy on neurological function. hes probably right that its safer in the short term than binge drinking, which is obviously responsible for related deaths.



It's hard to say - the news article is short on details. Perhaps he has considered the long-term effects, and is comparing it to the long term effects of alcohol?


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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: zouden]
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those extacy deaths could have been from meth pills.  if u have pure molly can you die of dehydration?

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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: sleepy]
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Whenever I take it I have a bottle of water and if I feel thirsty I drink some. It's not that hard people!


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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: zouden]
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it really is about the money tho


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for all y’all niggaz out there that be puffin shit
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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: anyone420]
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I think those people 'binge' drinking can keep doing what their doing.

Other wise illegal drugs would look allot worse.


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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: polantis]
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These statements would be much more compelling were they bacekd up by actual data.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: badchad]
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this article was read on free talk live tonight

national talk show


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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: anyone420]
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national talk show in what country?

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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: KillerPicklez]
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usa

listen.freetalklive.com

to hear it live

try it for 20 min, you wont be disapointed


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for all y’all niggaz out there that be puffin shit
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Edited by anyone420 (09/05/08 05:53 PM)

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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: anyone420]
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just tuned in. I will give it a try and see whats good

:thumbup:

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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: zouden]
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You know, I like ecstacy and all...but I'm not sure if I agree with this.


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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: KillerPicklez]
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blah

u got in right at the commercials


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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: anyone420]
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people will abuse ANYTHING!

id still rather drink tho ive never came across real molly

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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: Mickalopagus]
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I don't think the researcher is taking into account possible long term effects of ecstasy on neurological function. hes probably right that its safer in the short term than binge drinking, which is obviously responsible for related deaths.



MDMA does not have long term effects on neurological function.  I asked Rick Doblin about this once and he said that he knows lots of people who abused MDMA to a massive degree.  They all returned to normal after a few months of stopping the MDMA use.

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Re: Scientist recommends taking ecstasy instead of binge drinking [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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I beg to differ, about the long term effects.
My friend who is currently going on some kind of a MDMA binge, and has been rolling every weekend for a few months now dropping up to 7 in a night.
Although he seems fine, in the last 2 weeks, he broke up with his GF (of 7 years) and got kicked outa home.
That indicates at least some kind of after effects for me anyways.


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