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Very large shrooms. ID unknown, found on a hunt
    #886197 - 09/16/02 06:12 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)


These I had found among leaf debris and grass clippings on the edge of wooded area.
Very large
4 in tall
4 to 5 in across
Thick tough walled stem slight hollow in middle
Bulbulous lower stem
Slight pungent odor
White gills
White spore print
Briuses brown
Spongy gills and cap

Any ideas?


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Re: Very large shrooms. ID unknown, found on a hunt [Re: gregre]
    #886212 - 09/16/02 06:20 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome detailed pics, good job. The little pin you have there would suggest Agaricus, but the full grown mushrooms just scream Lepotia. They could be a fine edible, could be dangerously poisonous, but not active =\. Definitely wait on some others opinions on this one.


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Re: Very large shrooms. ID unknown, found on a hunt [Re: Gumby]
    #886233 - 09/16/02 06:29 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yea they did. I used my scanner for those and they used up almost the whole surface of it. I found these about an hour ago in the dark and I smelled them before I seen them. I got a whif of the mycilium as I walked on it. I was also in the pastures and did not find what I was really looking for.
PANS MAN! Shit!
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Re: Very large shrooms. ID unknown, found on a hun [Re: gregre]
    #887025 - 09/17/02 02:18 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Excellent photos and description. Your mushroom matches Lepiota brunnea, which is poisonous. It causes gastrointestinal distress.

You state that it bruises brown. This species bruises brown immediately in the cap flesh when it is cut. If you haven't yet cut it, please do so, and if it doesn't bruise brown immediately then cut the stem in half and let us know what color it bruises.

Out of curiosity, are you one the west coast? As far as I know, this species has only been reported from there so far.


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Re: Very large shrooms. ID unknown, found on a hunt [Re: gregre]
    #887038 - 09/17/02 02:28 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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    #887094 - 09/17/02 03:14 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

You're right - I just though I'd mention that Lepiota brunnea was recently split off from Lepiota rachodes as a lookalike that commonly causes poisonings. That's why I asked that they check the bruising to make sure it conformed to the described bruising for Lepiota brunnea. Other than the bruising the two species are basically identical. Probably a good percentage of the poisonings from Lepiota rachodes were due to misidentification of specimens of Lepiota brunnea.


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Re: Very large shrooms. ID unknown, found on a hun [Re: ToxicMan]
    #887132 - 09/17/02 03:40 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

They are most definitely not the shaggy mushroom. They don't briuse red or brown when the cap flesh is torn or cut. Shaggy's have black spores and the shaggys I've had were larger then these. I got these in the NE and this is also the wrong time of year for shaggys. It has to be alot colder. Sorry guys. These laid down pure white spores..., but they do have a wonderful mushroomy pungient odor to them. The slugs were eating them and that in itself really doesn't mean that they are edible. Slugs can digest poisons.


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Re: Very large shrooms. ID unknown, found on a hun [Re: gregre]
    #887216 - 09/17/02 04:35 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Shaggy Manes are Coprinus comatus, and your specimens would be difficult to confuse for those. Are those the "shaggy"s you're referring to? Lepiota rachodes is sometimes referred to as the Shaggy Parasol. They are not closely related, and this type of confusion would highlight why we tend to use the scientific names for the mushrooms over the common names. Also, common names in different places can refer to different species, but there is a diligent effor to ensure that the scientific names refer only to one species.

If the cap tissue doesn't bruise brown immediately when it is cut then your mushrooms are Lepiota rachodes, which is a choice edible. The bruising Mr_Mushrooms is referring to is the bruising of the inside of the stem when it is cut. Use the knife edge to abuse some of the tissue and watch for a minute or two for color changes. The outside of the stem of Lepiota rachodes bruises a reddish brown color where bruised.

My questions about bruising brown immediately in the cap when cut were to make sure you hadn't found Lepiota brunnea, a poisonous species which otherwise looks exactly like Lepiota rachodes.

The first time you eat it you should limit yourself to less than a teaspoonful so that is you are sensitive to it you won't get too sick. Most people are not sensitive to them and find them to be one of the very best edible mushrooms.


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Re: Very large shrooms. ID unknown, found on a hun [Re: ToxicMan]
    #887240 - 09/17/02 04:59 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yea they bruise brownish redish color on the stem, but I leary in eating anything I don't know. Do you think it would be worth saving some spores? I'll make some prints anyways.


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Re: Very large shrooms. ID unknown, found on a hun [Re: gregre]
    #887568 - 09/17/02 08:34 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I leary in eating anything I don't know.

You're just finding yourself face to face with what I call the "hot butter test" of your confidence in identification. The very first time for eating a self identified wild mushroom is the scariest (just like other things - hmmmm). One other thought - would you have been as nervous about it if somebody had told you they were Psilocybe cubensis or one of the other psychedelic mushrooms? If your answer isn't "yes", then why would you trust one ID and not another? The risks are basically the same. If you eat the wrong mushroom, you will become sick and could even die. Your only protection is accurate identification. If you haven't started studying identification, it's never too late to start.


Here is a list of characteristics for identifying the edible Lepiotas:

1. Open caps more than 3 inches wide, with white flesh showing between tan or pinkish to reddish brown fairly concentric scales.
2. Cap flesh thick, white, not staining immediately brown when cut.
3. Gills free from stalk, very closely spaced, white to dingy white or tinted reddish.
4. Thick, white, membranous partial veil covering gills at first, then leaving a movable, bandlike ring on the upper stalk.
5. Stalk smooth, much thicker at the middle or base, white at top, tan to reddish brown below, bruising yellow, orange, or reddish brown; or stalk slender, showing white between tiny browninsh scales, base bulbous.
6. Thickest part of stalk or its base at least one inch thick.
7. No volva present.
8. Spore print white, not greenish.

That description will fit Lepiota rachodes, L. americana, and L. procera, which are all edible and choice mushrooms.

The description is from Edible Wild Mushrooms of North America by David W. Fisher and Alan E. Bessette. This book is on sale from the Shroomery (and other sources). If you would like some basics on hunting edible mushrooms it is one of the best books for someone starting out.


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Re: Very large shrooms. ID unknown, found on a hun [Re: ToxicMan]
    #888015 - 09/17/02 11:27 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I've been collecting for years and never really had the op to run into this spieces before. My knowledge was passed down through generations and I was always taught that white gilled were not a good choice for consumption. With mushrooms that are slighty poisonous or have chems in them that support gastrointestinal discompfort. I only know what I know. If I know what it is I'd rather clone it or reproduce it.
All that I asked was if you would feel it would be worth saving spore prints....
Please don't assume that my knowledge is limited. I don't mean that in a distained way.
:grin:My favorite edible is the Agaricus Campestris, but I also can't wait for the shaggys to pop. I wanted to go hunting today but don't have time. :mad: 


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Re: Very large shrooms. ID unknown, found on a hun [Re: gregre]
    #888049 - 09/17/02 11:43 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

For edible, white gilled, white spored mushrooms some of the best are Tricholomas. Unfortunately, they are not terribly easy to identify accurately. But they are worth the effort. Tricholoma flavovirens is one of my favorites. And I can't imagine going without Tricholoma magnivelare (Matsutake).

The main reason people are told to avoid white spored mushrooms is the deadly Amanitas.

When learning to pick mushrooms for food you should also learn the deadly mushrooms as well as the good ones so you can be certain you don't have any of the deadly ones.


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Re: Very large shrooms. ID unknown, found on a hun [Re: ToxicMan]
    #888279 - 09/17/02 01:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I'm taking spore prints now but not sure if they are going to turn out ok because this shroom seem to decompose quickly. I know what death cap is and am fimiliar with it. I had one growing in my yard 2 wks ago. I won't eat these cause they were full of bugs and crawling things. If they turn out I'll let you know. :smile: 


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Re: Very large shrooms. ID unknown, found on a hun [Re: ToxicMan]
    #892600 - 09/19/02 06:45 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The prints were no good, but I kept them anyway. Maybe I'll try them for kicks.


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