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Re: Responsibility and morality [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
It's my belief that you are responsible for no one but yourself and your actions.

This doesn't mean that you should go around treating people like shit, because that would not be taking responsibility for yourself.

Likewise, it doesn't mean you should never show acts of compassion for those in need either. It just means it is not your responsibility to take care of every underprivileged person you see. If you feel like you want to help and can afford it, do so. If you don't or can't I won't judge you as any less.



This is pretty much how I feel about it.


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

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Re: Responsibility and morality [Re: silly_sigh_ben]
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I am responsible for nobody and nobody should be made to feel responsible for me. Do not the homeless man make you feel guilty. Be proud of your hard-earned money and do not let him state 'need' as his claim to your profit. When you feel needless guilt for his state of poverty, you are giving him your sanction; in essence rewarding the weak and punishing those who deserve their money.

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Re: Responsibility and morality [Re: Cepheus]
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until you have children, the only person you are responsible for is you.  and even that could be debated that one is not responsible for their children


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Re: Responsibility and morality [Re: Cameron]
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Cameron said:
Making other people feel good makes me happy. :shrug:
As far as homeless people go, I refuse to give them change because I'm afraid it will fuel their drug addictions. I do offer them food or a drink on occasion if I'm in a good move or under the influence.
I try to be genuinely compassionate, but I'm still pretty selfish most of the time.



don't you see though...helping others is really making yourself happy...sure they may appreciate the help....


but it is you who are feeling better about yourself...that in itself could verifiably be considered a selfish act...couldn't it??


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Re: Responsibility and morality [Re: Jack yo Self foo]
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Yes, that's why I said that I'm pretty selfish most of the time.
Last night I bought an old, wheelchair-stricken homeless man a cup of hot chocolate on a whim. I wasn't expecting much out of it, but I was happy to see the surprise on his face when I actually came back with the drink. My friends asked where I had been and when I told them, they praised me and practically made me out to be a saint (which I am not :lol:). My rewards for that good deed continued to flow in throughout the night: I made a lot of good first impressions and the positive feedback gave me a considerable ego-boost. The old man's happiness probably ran dry as his hot chocolate ran low, so I am almost positive that I got more out of that interaction than he did, and I'm sure that prospect was in the back of my mind when I offered to buy him a drink.
I'm just glad that my selfishness takes form in good and not rotten deeds.

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Re: Responsibility and morality [Re: Boots]
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Boots said:
I am responsible for nobody and nobody should be made to feel responsible for me. Do not the homeless man make you feel guilty. Be proud of your hard-earned money and do not let him state 'need' as his claim to your profit. When you feel needless guilt for his state of poverty, you are giving him your sanction; in essence rewarding the weak and punishing those who deserve their money.



If you haven't heard their life story, what right do you have to call them weak? If you think everyone is privileged to a sunny childhood, you are wrong.

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Re: Responsibility and morality [Re: Cameron]
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I hold doors open for people.

I don't give homeless people money.

I don't give away cigarettes (Well, I've quit recently, but I loved it before when somebody I don't know would see me smoking and walk up and ask to bum one.  I'd look 'em dead in the eyes, take a drag, blow it out, and then say, "I don't smoke.")

I help my friends out.  I help my family out.  I'd say I put more emphasis on my friends than my family, but typically my family is better off than my friends.


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For well you know that its a fool who plays it cool
By making his world a little colder.

Under closer inspection I realised it was a funky ball of tits from outer space.


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Re: Responsibility and morality [Re: circularvortex]
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circularvortex said:I loved it before when somebody I don't know would see me smoking and walk up and ask to bum one.  I'd look 'em dead in the eyes, take a drag, blow it out, and then say, "I don't smoke.")



You, sir, are EVIL. :evil:


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Re: Responsibility and morality [Re: Cameron]
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Cameron said:
Boots said:
I am responsible for nobody and nobody should be made to feel responsible for me. Do not the homeless man make you feel guilty. Be proud of your hard-earned money and do not let him state 'need' as his claim to your profit. When you feel needless guilt for his state of poverty, you are giving him your sanction; in essence rewarding the weak and punishing those who deserve their money.



If you haven't heard their life story, what right do you have to call them weak? If you think everyone is privileged to a sunny childhood, you are wrong.



I don't need a right to call them weak. Just as they don't need a right to be an eyesore to their communities and not contribute. People forget, the U.S.A. isn't the only place one can find jobs.

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Re: Responsibility and morality [Re: Cameron]
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Cameron said:
Boots said:
I am responsible for nobody and nobody should be made to feel responsible for me. Do not the homeless man make you feel guilty. Be proud of your hard-earned money and do not let him state 'need' as his claim to your profit. When you feel needless guilt for his state of poverty, you are giving him your sanction; in essence rewarding the weak and punishing those who deserve their money.



If you haven't heard their life story, what right do you have to call them weak? If you think everyone is privileged to a sunny childhood, you are wrong.



They're weak if they let their childhood dictate the rest of their life.  Poor choices are the reason they're homeless, childhood bullshit is just an excuse to evade responsibility.

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Re: Responsibility and morality [Re: Boots]
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Nobody will hire the homeless.  Many of them are mentally ill or otherwise unemployable.  Once you're on the street, you're on the street.  There's nowhere an employer can call you back, no place to take a shower and get ready for work, no fixed address to give them.  To break the pattern is not something of which most people are capable.  If people treat you like shit day in and day out, you probably don't have a lot of pride to work with.  Fucking McDonald's won't even let you in the door, let alone hire you.

It is easy and callous to say "Be like me... make something of yourself."  I think those of us who are employed and financially 'self-reliant' underestimate the role of luck on where we are in our lives.  Nobody is entirely self-made; most of us are born into supportive systems of education, housing and family.  We grow up as accepted members of society.  Wherever you are in life, you didn't do it all yourself.  People that have no such help face the impossible task of meeting our capitalist standards of living entirely on their own.

Yes, there are those beloved, heartwarming rags-to-riches stories, but the cold truth is that this kind of turnaround is well beyond the vast majority of people, and those who do succeed undoubtedly get a healthy dose of help from people who don't look at them like they're eyesores.


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

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Re: Responsibility and morality [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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WhiskeyClone said:
Nobody will hire the homeless.  Many of them are mentally ill or otherwise unemployable.  Once you're on the street, you're on the street.  There's nowhere an employer can call you back, no place to take a shower and get ready for work, no fixed address to give them.  To break the pattern is not something of which most people are capable.  If people treat you like shit day in and day out, you probably don't have a lot of pride to work with.  Fucking McDonald's won't even let you in the door, let alone hire you.

It is easy and callous to say "Be like me... make something of yourself."  I think those of us who are employed and financially 'self-reliant' underestimate the role of luck on where we are in our lives.  Nobody is entirely self-made; most of us are born into supportive systems of education, housing and family.  We grow up as accepted members of society.  Wherever you are in life, you didn't do it all yourself.  People that have no such help face the impossible task of meeting our capitalist standards of living entirely on their own.

Yes, there are those beloved, heartwarming rags-to-riches stories, but the cold truth is that this kind of turnaround is well beyond the vast majority of people, and those who do succeed undoubtedly get a healthy dose of help from people who don't look at them like they're eyesores.



I understand that I am very lucky to be born white and in a middle-class family. I also understand how hard it must be to be homeless. However, bad choices lead to bad outcomes. I find it hard to believe that all that are currently homeless were born homeless.

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Re: Responsibility and morality [Re: Boots]
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There are always going to be people that end up at the bottom of the pile.  Whether it's bad choices or bad circumstances that put them there, I think their chances are better if we treat them like they are worth something, despite their lack of income.  The "just get a damn job you bum" attitude exacerbates the homeless problem, IMO.


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

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