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my moral judgment
    #7939079 - 01/27/08 04:13 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Ok, first off, I usually look out for people. I make sure the drunks have a ride or a bed, I've given a lot of people positive advice I think, but despite this, I strike up a completely different attitude when the dice fall in my favor if I only chose to exploit a situation calling for the honesty policy.

---What I mean to say is, I've been finding a lot of money at work lately [restaurant] - in the seats [not tip money, just bills chillin in the seats] and today I found a wallet. At first I was just gonna check if it had some cash strip it and put it back. But I panicked because I found $100 in cash and a lot of credit cards/id in it, so now I realized I'm fucking up this dudes life just for the money. Since I'm a busser if I took the cash and left the wallet I'd probably be an easy suspect, so I hung on to it and kept my mouth shut so I can figure this out. Oh, and I found like 300 yen or yuan in it, i'm not sure what kind of bills they are. I'm gonna guess it's not much in USD. I'm gonna go look at the exchange rates...But yeah, what I think I'm gonna do is keep the cash, and send everything else back through the mail without a return address. Either way I'm keeping the money, I'm living on my own dime and supporting myself and my dog.  I feel like this may be some shitty form of self justification, but at the same time it just feels so damn good to pick up a fat sack on someone else's cash. :justdontknow:

edit: if you couldn't gather from my op, i'm feelin guilty about this. what would you do in my spot?


Edited by blkjkrabbit (01/27/08 04:21 AM)


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7939091 - 01/27/08 04:25 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Well. by taking the money and returing the credit cards, you're not totally fucking him money wise. you could make it a lot worse for him. Given that, still having a heavy concoious is a drag.

If it was me and I was totally broke, I'd prolly take the cash. If I was financially well off, I'd return it.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7939092 - 01/27/08 04:25 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

yeah dude my conscious is killing me on this one. but i think by sending the wallet back with all his other personal shit intact i'm somewhat of a decent human being, being the law breaking fiendish sunofabitch i tend to be.




side note - found out 300 yuan is ~$40 :yesnod:


Edited by blkjkrabbit (01/27/08 04:27 AM)


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7939109 - 01/27/08 04:40 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Taking the money is the charge for returning his shit.
That's how I would look at it


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: Cubie]
    #7939122 - 01/27/08 04:55 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Word up, postage is a bitch these days, plus - it's $140 as opposed to the all kinds of fucked up I can make him with all his shit right now. So yeah you said it best, it's the fuckin fee for not exploiting his shit outright.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7939138 - 01/27/08 05:26 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Well, I'd say you your probably can use it more than he. Someone who walks around with $140 and a bunch of credit cards probably can take the hit.

In addition, finding foreign money probably means the dude has the cash to buy plane tickets back and forth to China.

Normally I'm only for taking from big businesses, faceless corporations, that sort of thing but this guy seems loaded... and if someone else found it the dude could be a lot worse off.

Also carrying that much cash around is a really dumb move.

:ohwell:

I'd expect someone to do the same if it were my wallet.

Hell, I wouldn't even expect to get my wallet back at all.

The only reason you feel guilty is because society dictates you should. Who's to say what's right and wrong?


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: Bandersnatch]
    #7939152 - 01/27/08 05:40 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Hmm... this makes me feel like a choad. I'd return it personally... just me though.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: BurningBeard]
    #7939167 - 01/27/08 05:56 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Hmm... this makes me feel like a choad. I'd return it personally... just me though.




It would be the honorable thing to do.

I have returned expensive things in the past to people who obviously had the money to buy a replacement and not even gotten a thank you though, so I'm kind of bitter about this sort of thing.

Also had this happen where people came into the restaurant I was working and gave a really shit tip (or no tip) and left something. Card, Wallet etc. and came back for it. I returned it of course but got nothing in return... and in many cases no tip for waiting on them either... and tips are where your paycheck comes from as a waiter.

I've also lost things and not gotten them back despite having a name or phone number on them. Even had my place of residence broken into and robbed, majorly sucked.

People are generally scum, but maybe this guy's not.

I'm just sick of being taken advantage of by people and no longer expect to get anything returned to me if I lose it. I'll carry very little cash unless I plan on spending it on something specific.

It's just lessons you learn about life.

People suck, just got to get used to it.

Which feels better, a pat on the back from yourself or cash in hand?


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: Bandersnatch]
    #7939176 - 01/27/08 06:06 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I know if I hadn't eatin in 3 days and I droped my last 5 dollers. And the person that picked it up saw me drop it. I would never see it again. So ftw' take care of your self first then worry about rather or not you can afford honor


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: Cubie]
    #7939180 - 01/27/08 06:14 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I'm a firm believer in karma.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: BurningBeard]
    #7939293 - 01/27/08 08:07 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

give the money and the whole thing back to the guy, it will pay off in more ways then one in the long run in your life.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7939318 - 01/27/08 08:24 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

ive lost my wallet twice. both times luckily it was returned to me. both times the cash was taken out. a little over 50 bucks each time. Tell you the truth, I was happier having my wallet back and all my bank cards, credit card, drivers license and what not then not having anything. I think the person that took the time to package it up, send it, and spend his time helping me deserved the money...

Its a bitch having to get a new license, close all your accounts and re open...

Take the money, return the wallet. One of mine even had a little note in it saying he is keeping the money cause he is in a tight place and he could have just thrown the wallet away and done nothing, but instead felt he should send it. I agreed.

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Re: my moral judgment [Re: supra]
    #7939424 - 01/27/08 09:20 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I would return the wallet and leaver the money in it (minus what it costs to send it in the mail. I don't believe in karma or anything like that, but I do try to do things the way I'd like them done to me.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: Bandersnatch]
    #7939476 - 01/27/08 09:41 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Quote:

Bandersnatch said:

People suck, just got to get used to it.

Which feels better, a pat on the back from yourself or cash in hand?




^^^^There's a good attitude.  People suck, so you might as well become part of the problem. :rolleyes:

Rationalize all you want, but if you keep the money, you're a thief.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7939502 - 01/27/08 09:52 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

considering you plan on buying drugs with it, which are completely unnecessary, i'd say it's a shitty thing to do

cause if you can blow $100 on bud, you clearly DON'T need the money that badly

if there hadn't been id with it, i'd say keep it all, but you know who it does belong to, and that person is not you



edit: oh, and karma is bullshit, just so you know where i'm coming from her


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: demiu5]
    #7939518 - 01/27/08 09:56 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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considering you plan on buying drugs with it, which are completely unnecessary, i'd say it's a shitty thing to do

cause if you can blow $100 on bud, you clearly DON'T need the money that badly

if there hadn't been id with it, i'd say keep it all, but you know who it does belong to, and that person is not you



edit: oh, and karma is bullshit, just so you know where i'm coming from her




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Re: my moral judgment [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7939541 - 01/27/08 10:02 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Karma aside, it's plain fucking shady.

Stealing is stealing no matter what way you slice it or how you pretty it up.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: BurningBeard]
    #7939552 - 01/27/08 10:04 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

technically it isnt stealing. possesion is 9/10ths of the law. this is merely a moral decision.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7939560 - 01/27/08 10:09 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Here's a question for ya.

Did the wallet at one time belong to someone else? The answer is yes.

Look up stealing in the dictionary.

The wallet was not given, and thus, it is stealing. There's no argument here, just plain English.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: BurningBeard]
    #7939568 - 01/27/08 10:11 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Well he found it, they lost it, so it's not really classic stealing, if he does "steal" here its a passive act not an aggressive one, so imo that makes it a little less bad.

Take the money and then don't spend it on drugs.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: BurningBeard]
    #7939572 - 01/27/08 10:13 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Here's a question for ya.

Did the wallet at one time belong to someone else? The answer is yes.

Look up stealing in the dictionary.

The wallet was not given, and thus, it is stealing. There's no argument here, just plain English.




from a legal standpoint this is not stealing. the wallet was basically abandoned even if unintentionally and he found it. end of story, it is not stealing.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7939579 - 01/27/08 10:17 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

The question is of morality, not legality.

The OP clearly stated that.

And plain and simple, it's just a dick move.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: BurningBeard]
    #7939608 - 01/27/08 10:25 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

well, if he actually needed the money, say for food or to help with rent/bills i'd say keep it but he said hes just buying drugs so IMO i would return it. its a matter of robin hood i guess. are you really poor enough to keep it?


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7939774 - 01/27/08 11:28 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

first off. What fucking moron leaves with out their wallet?


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: SheikCorp]
    #7939780 - 01/27/08 11:29 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

some people are absent-minded.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7939790 - 01/27/08 11:31 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

So if they left their brains would you return it?


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: SheikCorp]
    #7939801 - 01/27/08 11:33 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

nope. i'd eat them to gain their knowledge!


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    #7939814 - 01/27/08 11:35 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

but what knowledge is in an absent mind?


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: SheikCorp]
    #7939836 - 01/27/08 11:39 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

a lot. its only an absent mind because its not in the head. a pecan still tastes like a pecan even if it isnt in the shell.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: BurningBeard]
    #7940090 - 01/27/08 12:37 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I believe in karma to.
Thankfully I don't get put in that situation a lot.
But its hard not to think about just your self when that's what the rest of the world does.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7940131 - 01/27/08 12:43 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

One time this dude left his wallet in my car. He got in touch with me, I looked for it, and didn't find it. Then a few weeks later I ended up finding it behind a seat.

I kept it because I didn't know how to contact him.

I mean, I could have gone to his place or something, but I didn't.

It had about $170 in it, and I've felt bad about it ever since.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: Cubie]
    #7940152 - 01/27/08 12:47 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Taking the money is the charge for returning his shit.
That's how I would look at it




Ya I second that, he is just lucky you found it though he prob canceled all his cards by now


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7940181 - 01/27/08 12:53 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

call his ass up on a payphone and tell him you are mailing the wallet back asap or else he'll cancel all his cards.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7940431 - 01/27/08 01:59 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Quote:

Bandersnatch said:

People suck, just got to get used to it.

Which feels better, a pat on the back from yourself or cash in hand?




^^^^There's a good attitude.  People suck, so you might as well become part of the problem. :rolleyes:

Rationalize all you want, but if you keep the money, you're a thief.




If you lost your wallet would you rather someone took the money and made sure it got back to you, or would you rather they took the wallet and tossed it back somewhere in a public place for someone else to find? Personally I'd rather not go to the hassle of getting all my credit cards canceled and getting a new driver's license and who knows what else that would need to be dealt with.

I never said taking the money was right, but he is under no actual obligation to return the wallet or the money. It is found property

He found the wallet so now he's obligated to go through the extra work (for free I might add) of making sure the thing gets back to him? That hardly seems fair to the person who recovers your lost item.  Maybe leaving it on the sidewalk outside the restaurant is a more moral choice, right? :rolleyes:

You read all the time in kid's storybooks about how some boy or girl finds a wallet and tracks down the owner and returns it and then they get a reward at the end for doing the honorable thing. Doesn't happen in the real world.

I by no means mean it is the right thing to do to take the money but it doesn't mean it's wrong either.

(Hell, why not even donate a portion of the money to a charity or something that could use it more?)


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: Bandersnatch]
    #7940470 - 01/27/08 02:10 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Quote:

WhiskeyClone said:
Quote:

Bandersnatch said:

People suck, just got to get used to it.

Which feels better, a pat on the back from yourself or cash in hand?




^^^^There's a good attitude.  People suck, so you might as well become part of the problem. :rolleyes:

Rationalize all you want, but if you keep the money, you're a thief.




I never said taking the money was right, but he is under no actual obligation to return the wallet or the money. It is found property

He found the wallet so now he's obligated to go through the extra work (for free I might add) of making sure the thing gets back to him? That hardly seems fair to the person who recovers your lost item.  Maybe leaving it on the sidewalk outside the restaurant is a more moral choice, right? :rolleyes:






It is better than stealing it, yes.  Believe it or not, some people do indeed return wallets.  My wallet slipped out of my pocket on the bus, and sure enough, a woman found it and gave it to the bus driver, who put in the lost and found.  It was intact, nothing missing, $80 in cash still in there.  The woman didn't take it, the bus driver didn't take it, the lost and found guy didn't take it.  Imagine that, THREE people in a row resisted the selfish impulse to take the money.  This isn't a miracle, it's just human decency.

That somebody else is likely to steal it does not justify stealing it yourself. 

For those of you who doesn't think finding and keeping a wallet is theft in the eyes of the law, ask a lawyer.  Even if an object has been sitting there for months, taking it is theft.

No he's under no obligation to return it, but if he's not planning to do so, there is no justification for picking it up at all.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7940515 - 01/27/08 02:22 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Fuck the 'law'


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7940533 - 01/27/08 02:28 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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It is better than stealing it, yes.  Believe it or not, some people do indeed return wallets.  My wallet slipped out of my pocket on the bus, and sure enough, a woman found it and gave it to the bus driver, who put in the lost and found.  It was intact, nothing missing, $80 in cash still in there.  The woman didn't take it, the bus driver didn't take it, the lost and found guy didn't take it.  Imagine that, THREE people in a row resisted the selfish impulse to take the money.  This isn't a miracle, it's just human decency.

That somebody else is likely to steal it does not justify stealing it yourself. 

For those of you who doesn't think finding and keeping a wallet is theft in the eyes of the law, ask a lawyer.  Even if an object has been sitting there for months, taking it is theft.

No he's under no obligation to return it, but if he's not planning to do so, there is no justification for picking it up at all.




You're lucky to get your wallet back with the money. Human decency, despite what you'd like to think, usually has a very low success rate though.

I've had my wallet stolen out of my bag at an amusement park stripped of money (no cards since I was a kid at the time) and returned to lost and found. I had that happen twice in one day at the same park except the second time I had no money and my wallet was NOT returned to lost and found.

People will screw you but you're right that it doesn't make it okay to screw them back.

I wasn't saying that it would be right to take it but if that woman hadn't picked it up, someone else undoubtedly would have and most likely someone who wouldn't return it at all.
I figure taking it all would be a negative act, taking the money and returning the wallet would be a neutral act, and returning the whole thing intact would be a positive act.

All of that being said, I've returned everything that I have found and had some form of contact on/with it.
I've even returned a cell phone that I found in the road dead. Went to the work of finding a phone with the same provider, putting the sim card in and calling the number listed as "mom"
Met them in a park and returned their phone, barely even got a thank you before they drove off.

At work I've returned all the money and cards that I've found, even going so far as to look people up in the phonebook and try and contact them. I've never gotten anything in return and it kind of sucks.

If I'd found the wallet I'd probably return it personally to their address, but I'd by no means be obligated to and they would be fucking lucky that I did.

If it was my wallet, like I said, I'd never expect to see it again.

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Re: my moral judgment [Re: Bandersnatch]
    #7940654 - 01/27/08 02:49 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I'm not a firm believer in karma or anything, but I do know I generally try to treat other people how I would like to be treated and I've gotten out of some crazy situations that I still don't have explanations for.

I agree with the idea of returning the wallet with no money being a neutral act, and returning it with the money as a good act. I guess it depends on how bad you need the money. If he lived nearby me I would probably return it in person with the money in it. I wouldnt expect a reward, but I wouldn't say no. I know if somebody brought me my wallet and left my $100 in it I would sure as shit be very thankful, and would definitely give them at least 20 of it.

If you NEED the money I would say keep it, otherwise why risk the bad points?


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7940718 - 01/27/08 02:58 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Keep the money. Even if you believe in Karma you, which I think is BS, maybe the wallet was left there because blkjkrabbit has done good things and that guy is recieving the bad karma. That is exactly why karma is shit. It is so subjective.

But keep the money man and honestly, I would leave the wallet on his front doorstep or in his mailbox.


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    #7940748 - 01/27/08 03:01 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Keep the money. Even if you believe in Karma you, which I think is BS, maybe the wallet was left there because blkjkrabbit has done good things and that guy is recieving the bad karma. That is exactly why karma is shit. It is so subjective.

But keep the money man and honestly, I would leave the wallet on his front doorstep or in his mailbox.




That's the thing about Karma... how do you know you're not rejecting the good returns?

If Karma exists, I've refused so many karmic rewards that the universe owes me a fat bag of reefer or two.


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    #7940800 - 01/27/08 03:11 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Maybe your supposed to build up your karma for one climatic release at death?
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Re: my moral judgment [Re: Bandersnatch]
    #7940803 - 01/27/08 03:12 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Yea maybe I should have robbed that one kid because maybe he deserved it and I was awarded the opportunity. :rofl:

There are people who do nothing but harm and live a happy, well life.

And there is even more of the opposite. Good people get shit on and get nothing in return.


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    #7940811 - 01/27/08 03:13 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Tangerines said:
Keep the money. Even if you believe in Karma you, which I think is BS, maybe the wallet was left there because blkjkrabbit has done good things and that guy is recieving the bad karma. That is exactly why karma is shit. It is so subjective.

But keep the money man and honestly, I would leave the wallet on his front doorstep or in his mailbox.




That's the thing about Karma... how do you know you're not rejecting the good returns?

If Karma exists, I've refused so many karmic rewards that the

universe owes me a fat bag of reefer or two.



:rofl:


I think this is a shitty situation for the dude but I'm gonna take the cash because I could definitely use it for food to help me through the month. The guy lives in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Washington, and he works at Microsoft and has club cards to all sorts of crazy restaurants and malls and shit. Really, $140 is a small fuckin price for a wealthy dude like this to pay for the world of shit he could catch if someone else chose to exploit the hell out of it. I'll mail it out to his address later and think of a small note to leave him. :justdontknow:


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    #7940848 - 01/27/08 03:18 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Yea maybe I should have robbed that one kid because maybe he deserved it and I was awarded the opportunity. :rofl:

There are people who do nothing but harm and live a happy, well life.

And there is even more of the opposite. Good people get shit on and get nothing in return.




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Re: my moral judgment [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7940887 - 01/27/08 03:29 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

wear gloves and wipe all fingerprints off. Maybe I would just be paranoid, but if he is a rich asshole with the resources he could try to get fingerprints.

Better safe than sorry. :shrug:


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    #7944064 - 01/28/08 06:53 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

As I see this there's the option to be part of the problem vs. part of the solution.

Good people get shit on... does that give anyone the right to do the shitting?

Seems like a fucked up viewpoint to me.

Yeah, good people rarely get the rewards they deserve for their good, and as cheesy as this sounds, that shouldn't matter. It's the action itself that should provide some moral relief.

There is nothing subjective about karma. Do good and eventually reap good from what you've done. That may mean tomorrow, and it may mean ten years down the road. But, what goes around, comes around.

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Re: my moral judgment [Re: BurningBeard]
    #7945024 - 01/28/08 12:05 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Karma is bullshit dude. I don't trust anything I cannot prove.

And it IS subjective. How is it not?


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    #7945045 - 01/28/08 12:10 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Here's where we differ in view point.

There are things that I feel are inherently negative and things that are inherently positive.

Positive breeds positive, negative breeds negative.

This is simply a matter of how you view the world around you.

Karmic action for me has always lead to good results.

Obviously you've had different results, so I can understand where you're coming from.

So I guess in that respect it is subjective... but I never thought of morality itself as a subjective thing. There are gray ares, sure... but I think on the whole, most actions can be labeled clearly as negative or positive.

Though I'm sure I'm in the minority here.


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Re: my moral judgment [Re: BurningBeard]
    #7945061 - 01/28/08 12:13 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Have you read any philosophy? Morality is 100% subjective. Hence why the views of morality have been getting debated for thousands of years.


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    #7945100 - 01/28/08 12:22 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Nope. Not big on philosophy. I'd rather generate my own philosophy than follow the pre-written ideologies of others. To me, that's far more appealing.

That's not to say I never will delve into it, and that's not to say I don't find it interesting. I just haven't bothered because it's inherently opposed to my own world view.

Here's where I stand. I don't support nabbing someone's wallet, money, or anything else for that matter that is left lying about. That was the original quandary, and that's where I sit with it.

If you wanna shoot the shit about the subjectivity of morality, the meaning of the universe, or any other deep philosophical topic, PM me. Always down for some deep discussion.


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