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Re: psil. cubensis. azurescens
    #86883 - 07/18/00 05:45 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Can you, please, formulate your problem more precisely:

What species?
Which strain?
What do you want to do with it?

As far as I know, there is no thing such psil.cubensis.azurescens.



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Re: psil. cubensis. azurescens [Re: Anno]
    #86885 - 07/19/00 02:10 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

There has been available a spore print from a heretofore highly reliable source. It reputes to have the best qualities of both p. cubensis and p. aszurscens. I have achieved both agar and rye seed mycelium growth. I am now in a quandry as to whether to proceed in an outdoor woodchip bed or in the more easily (in my part of the world) maintained and controlled indoor environment( i.e.your good old cubensis aquarium). The growth on the agar tends to have the look of p. aszurscens but thrives in higher temp.. Anyone have experience with this spore?


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Re: psil. cubensis. azurescens [Re: Anno]
    #86886 - 07/19/00 02:36 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

If you are looking for info on growing P.Azurescens, go to the folowing page: http://www.sporeworks.com/azurdata.htm


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Re: psil. cubensis. azurescens [Re: Anno]
    #86887 - 07/19/00 06:44 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Any heretofore reliable source that claims to have Psilocybe cubensis azurescens hybrid spores is now a heretofore not reliable source. Unless it is Stamet's, maybe Gartz. It's a myth so far. you likely have the B+. It fruits in temps from high 50s into the low nineties, but prefers typical cube parameters. It will colonize wood to a certain degree however. That is it's only difference from standard cubes, and isn't a very big one at that.

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Re: psil. cubensis. azurescens [Re: Anno]
    #86888 - 07/19/00 05:24 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

B+ cubebsis. Well have I been in my own private horse dung pile or what? I will set up parameters accordingly but will set up some outdoor beds and see what develops. What about the pattern of mycelium growth on my agar? Sure doesn't look cubensis and doesn't appear contaminated. I also get good spread through my rye grain (temp. 80F.). Is this typical for B+?


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Re: psil. cubensis. azurescens [Re: Anno]
    #86889 - 07/19/00 05:30 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Like said above:
There is no such thing as an P. cubensis/azurescens hybrid.

All Psilocybe mushrooms within the genus have a slight to definate umbo or nipple on the cap at various stages in their growth and developement.
I just recently posted pictures which I am now posting here at the shroomery showing the caps of three species which all resemble P. azurescens caps, including a 1957 water color renditions of P. cubensis by the Frech mycologist Roger Heim, who accompanied R. Gordon Wasson on several trips to Mexico. The photographs are from Life Mgazine's May 1957 issue called "Mushrooms that cause Stange Visions."

In these images you can see the nipple or protrude (umbo) on three of these water colored pics to show you how P. cubensis can resemble an azurescens cap (only in the shape, not the color, which is different than P. cubensis).

This first pic is a Workman P. cubensis with a cap similar to P. azurescens except for the lack of the redidish colored cap of P. azuresecens. IT is placed besides an average cubensis.

Many species have similar caps with large umbos and sometimes they even mimic sombreros.

Here is an example from a photo of a species

found recently in Georgia but it is not Psilocybe weilii.

The photo was just recently sent to me.

I also think the Hawk should take that discussion out of t supposedly P. azurescens/cubensis not recognized by anyone, from his his site.

I intent to let him know that this is not Psilocybe azurescens/cubensis clone or any such shroom, except a Cubensis.

I am also going to post the 1957 drawing of P. cubensis by
French mycologist Roger Heim which appeared

in the May 13th, 1957 issue of Life Magazine.

Oh I had no idea the picture was this big.

Okay here is the Roger Heim's drawings of three species in the top row.

The P. zapotecorum on the top left.
The P. cubensis in the middle.

The P. caerulescens (var. nigripes (Far top right),
all having similar caps drawn in water colors
From specimens collected in Oaxaca.
And all similar to your P. cubensis
and P. azurescens caps.

Well there you have it.

I know Rychehawk also mentions this strain somewhere at his site and I think he should change it so that people will not become confused.

I get a lot of emails about this and they drive me crazy.

Mjshroomer

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Re: psil. cubensis. azurescens [Re: Anno]
    #86890 - 07/19/00 07:11 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Dont look at me, I've stated many, many times I dont believe in azure/cub hybrids. At least not until someone like Stamets publishes it.
My site only mentions that ppl claimed they were hybrids, but in fact are just cubensis.

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Re: psil. cubensis. azurescens [Re: Anno]
    #86891 - 07/19/00 10:01 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Hello Guyz,
There is a strain in Amsterdam that
claims to be a Cubensis/azurescens hybrid
as strong if not stronger then Coplandia
I also have my doubts about the validity
of this story but its been reported to me by more then one person.
I am still waiting on a sample but I wouldn't
cancel it off as a hoax just yet.
There is alot of bio engineering here.
as great as Stamets is he is not the only
mycologist on earth just one of the greatest.



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Re: psil. cubensis. azurescens [Re: Anno]
    #86892 - 07/19/00 10:07 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Hm. Many shops in Amsterdam offer spores for phony non-existing species. A good example is the spores for Psilocybe mexicanus.

No Such species. Turned out that they were all p. cubensis.

Two friends of miine were told that mexicnaus was a strain of Psilocybe mexicana.

I went to almost over 40 smart shops while I was there for 11 days and hardly anuyopne working in these shops have any comprehension or knowledge of what the mushrooms are, except to sell them to their customers.

These shops also tell people that Daturea is a cool drug. IT is not.

I cannot rely on Amsterdam people to be honest in their dealings, especially on the web.

last year I posted the people sellin Hawaiian strains of Psilocybe cyanescens saying they were a potent strain of Cubensis. All they did was change their URL and three months later turned up on yet another web-site. They were from a city outside of Amsterdam. They were also on a Swiss web-site for a while and as soon as I emailed them about their errors they closed that site up and moved it somewhere else.

And once again, I asked my friend Jochen Gartz abnout this as a possibility anbd he even said no way.

So thats the end of that subjuect because I won't ever respond to it again.

mjshroomer



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Re: psil. cubensis. azurescens [Re: Anno]
    #86893 - 07/24/00 04:22 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

If you are talking about Panaeolus Tropicalis, it has properties of both and was confused for either for a while, but it's not a cross breed or anything.


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Re: psil. cubensis. azurescens [Re: Anno]
    #86894 - 07/24/00 07:19 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Once again I bring to everyones attention that the species is Copelandia tropicalis, not panaeolus tropicalis and it, like every other psilocybian species all have the same properties.

There is no P. azure/cyanescens musroom. Get that shit out of your heads.

mjshroomer



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Re: psil. cubensis. azurescens [Re: Anno]
    #86895 - 07/25/00 06:34 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Well, don't leave us hanging. What are the details on the new species in Georgia. Where abouts was it found(south, north Georgia?)Is it active? Did the person who found this new species take prints? Habbitat? Etc.....


You can't give me a peice of info like that and not fill me in.


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Re: psil. cubensis. azurescens [Re: Anno]
    #86896 - 07/26/00 04:49 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I am sorry Lizard King,
but the person who sent me those photos of that wonderful speices found in Georgia asked that I not reveal the location of the shrooms.

However here is a Cambodian Cubensis I just grew which also has the nipple on the top of the shroom, a common characteristic of the genus Psilocybe..
Byue for now.

mj



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