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Check out this electric sports car
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charges in only 10 minutes, range of 300km
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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: Coaster]
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GAY*




*They lack the passion and soul of gears,and cams,and valves,and tappets,and all that amazing mechanical wizardry. Not to mention the sound all that loveliness makes. Which beings me to another point, I wonder how man manslaughter charges are gonna result from kids,and shit jumping out in front of those fucking things because there so silent.



**Did I mention that was GAY.


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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: CaptainH13]
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ya they lack all those carbon emissions how gay huh


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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: CaptainH13]
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I think its cool that it charges in 10 minutes and can go up to 300km. I mean thats impressive.


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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: MHbound]
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ya if u had a couple wind generators then u can drive 4ever 4 free


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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: CaptainH13]
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Get used to it - it's the wave of the future.

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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: Le_Canard]
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Get some sails and spinners on there and we've got ourselves a complete market.

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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: CaptainH13]
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> **Did I mention that I was GAY.

Yes, several times.  Thanks for sharing.

> They lack the passion and soul of gears

Because they don't have to shift (electric motors have a near constant torque over the entire RPM range), they feel a lot like a plane taking off when accelerating; there is no momentary pause in acceleration as gears shift.

> charges in only 10 minutes

Probably only to around 80% SOC (state of charge).  I'm fairly certain it would take a lot, lot longer to take the batteries from 80% to 100%...

> ya they lack all those carbon emissions how gay huh

Assuming that you use non-polluting source of electricity.

> ya if u had a couple wind generators then u can drive 4ever 4 free

Wind generators are very noisy and tend to kill birds.  (When it comes to energy, we just can't win.  :frown: )

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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: Coaster]
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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: Prisoner#1]
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so how is that air car not eco friendly


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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: Coaster]
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That car looks much nicer than all the other electric cars I've seen. Pretty dubious on the 10 minute figure (your 80% explanation makes sense Seuss) but if they can go after the high-end market they'll be able to sway the public's opinion of electric cars (eg Captain's post)


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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: Coaster]
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> so how is that air car not eco friendly

It takes a lot of energy to compress gasses.  Compressed gasses have a fairly small energy density.  This means the vehicles have to be light.  To build light cars requires composites.  The manufacture of composites is very dirty.  Composites are not reusable, have no recycle value, and do not biodegrade.  etc, etc, etc...

As I said before, when it comes to energy, we can't win...

Edit:

Regarding the 80% SOC... it is really not an issue.  Just something to keep in mind when reading the fine print.  Don't let the marketers switch between how far you can drive on a 10min charge and how far the car will go on a 100% charge in the same statement.  (I'm not claiming that is what happened here, but I know how marketing works...)

Back in the late 80's/early 90's, I was testing the battery packs that GM/ACDelco were developing for the GM Impact electric car.  These were lead acid batteries, but had some amazing charge/discharge curves.  You could discharge a fully charged pack (240V DC, 12000 AH) in a matter of seconds... of course, it would melt the pack, but still amazing.  These batteries would also charge from 'drained' to 80% SOC in about 10 minutes, but would take several more hours to go to 100%.  However, as long as you had another charging station within your 80% SOC distance, no worries.  (The chargers were awesome as well... inductively coupled with all conductive parts encased in hard plastic.  Almost zero risk of accidental shock.)


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Edited by Seuss (07/23/08 08:31 AM)

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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: Seuss]
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Do you know if more modern batteries like Li-ion have the same 80% SOC characteristic? What about the brand-new lithium-polymer batteries?

AFAIK the Tesla Roadster just has lots of laptop (Li-ion) batteries in it! That must seriously contribute to the cost.


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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: zouden]
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> Do you know if more modern batteries like Li-ion have the same 80% SOC characteristic?

In general, the battery chemistry will dictate the charge/discharge characteristics.  The problem is that as the battery approaches full charge, you have to slow down to avoid boiling off the electrolyte.  Usually, you charge at a constant current until the cell voltage reaches some high water mark (as determined by the battery chemistry).  Once this happens, you switch to constant voltage charging (trickle charge) to top the battery off... and this takes a long, long time.

I never worked with lithium based batteries.  Everything I did was with lead acid and silver zinc.

http://www.mpoweruk.com/chargers.htm
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During fast charging it is possible to pump electrical energy into the battery faster than the chemical process can react to it, with damaging results.

The chemical action can not take place instantaneously and there will be a reaction gradient in the bulk of the electrolyte between the electrodes with the electrolyte nearest to the electrodes being converted or "charged" before the electrolyte further away. This is particularly noticeable in high capacity cells which contain a large volume of electrolyte.

There are in fact at least two key processes involved in this chemical conversion. One is the "charge transfer", which is the actual chemical reaction taking place at the interface of the electrode with the electrolyte and this proceeds relatively quickly. The other is the "mass transport" or "diffusion" process in which the materials transformed in the charge transfer process are moved on from the electrode surface, making way for further materials to reach the electrode to take part in the transformation process. This is a relatively slow process which continues until all the materials have been transformed.

Both of these processes are also temperature dependent.

The charging process may be subject to other significant effects whose reaction time should also be taken into account such as the "intercallation process" by which Lithium cells are charged in which Lithium ions are inserted into the crystal lattice of the host electrode.

In addition there may be other parasitic or side effects such as passivation of the electrodes, crystal formation and gas build up, which all affect charging times and efficiencies, but these may be relatively minor or infrequent, or may occur only during conditions of abuse. They are therefore not considered here.

The battery charging process thus has at least two characteristic time constants associated with achieving complete conversion of the active chemicals which depend on both the chemicals employed and on the cell construction. The time constant associated with the charge transfer could be one minute or less, whereas the mass transport time constant can be as high as several hours or more in a large high capacity cell. This is one of the the reasons why cells can deliver or accept very high pulse currents, but much lower continuous currents.(Another major factor is the heat dissipation involved). These phenomena are non linear and apply to the discharging process as well as to charging. There is thus a limit to the charge acceptance rate of the cell. Continuing to pump energy into the cell faster than the chemicals can react to the charge can cause local overcharge conditions including polarisation, overheating as well as unwanted chemical reactions, near to the electrodes thus damaging the cell. Fast charging forces up the rate of chemical reaction in the cell (as does fast discharging) and it may be necessary to allow "rest periods" during the charging process for the chemical actions to propagate throughout the bulk of the chemical mass in the cell and to stabilise at progressive levels of charge.

A memorable though not quite equivalent phenomenon is the pouring of beer into a glass. Pouring very quickly results in a lot of froth and a small amount of beer at the bottom of the glass. Pouring slowly down the side of the glass or alternatively letting the beer settle till the froth disperses and then topping up allows the glass to be filled completely.

Fast charging also causes increased Joule heating of the cell because of the higher currents involved and the higher temperature in turn causes an increase in the rate of the chemical conversion processes.




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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: zouden]
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Seuss is right, electric cars are not very efficient and if they do take over the industry we could see even more destructive results on the environment.  There is all that Seuss said but also were do you think most of the electricity comes from? BURNING COAL which is very bad for the environment! there are nuclear power plants but they produce nuclear waste.  The direction cars need to be heading in is hydrogen power.  There have been a few people that have converted their cars to hydrogen power already and there are many prototypes out there.  You fill them up simply with water and by running a positive and negative charge through that water extracts hydrogen which when burned by the motor produces water vapor and through the conservation of matter no water is lost in the process.  Since hydrogen is so flammable as well these vehicles can get unbelievable mileage I remember reading of a prototype that got 1000 miles to the gallon but it might have been liquid hydrogen not water but non the less thats where we need to be headed.

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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: Seuss]
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For reasons Suess already mentioned and other reasons as well, electric cars can acheive not only a more level torque graph, but a consistently much higher torque as well.  This means that they are by no means gay when it comes to using them for racing.  Of course the design on the one in the video looked pretty gay from the quick glance I took at it, but ya.


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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: Ferris]
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I've wanted a car that runs on nuclear power for years. What's more eco than not having to fuel up for 70 years at a clip?

And just think,if i have a meltdown i'll get to watch a radioactive stew melt into the earth.



Non of you have addressed the child killing silence of these cars. That is an honest problem, i wasn't being a dick.


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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: CaptainH13]
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Darwinism.  People themselves are the worst polluters of all :sun:


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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: Ferris]
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Yeah people will just have to get better at looking out for cars. On the upside, houses near the highway will be worth more because there'll be less traffic noise.


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Re: Check out this electric sports car [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
> so how is that air car not eco friendly

It takes a lot of energy to compress gasses.  Compressed gasses have a fairly small energy density.  This means the vehicles have to be light.  To build light cars requires composites.  The manufacture of composites is very dirty.  Composites are not reusable, have no recycle value, and do not biodegrade.  etc, etc, etc...




by losing an internal combustion engine/transmission you lose
several hundred pounds off the bat, making use of a aluminum you
can achieve the same sort of weight savings as you would with
composite materials, you can also use recyclable plastics like
high density polyethylene and save yourself a trip to the body
shop, of course you may be limited to the milk jug white

one advantage over the electric vehicles is battery weight.
electric motors equal weight, since the CAT engines produce only
minimal heat due to friction (compressed air actually cools it
significantly) the small engines can be produced almost entirely
from aluminum, by the time it's done, a utility vehicle can
weigh as little as 800lbs a family car as little as 900lbs



as for energy consumption, the same money spent on a gallon of
gas can propel you about 240 miles, yep, $60 miles to the dollar
and if you have a compressor you can plug into at work, it's
free, only takes about 3 hours of charge time on a home
compressor, at current rates that's around $20/month on your
electric bill



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As I said before, when it comes to energy, we can't win...




it costs me $8 to make a trip into town and back in my honda
I'll take the loss as a win given that it's still far cheaper

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