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can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch??
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1st fight wand IMO easily won round 2

wand did get out struck however he did get the only chin punch knockdown

chuck was desperate enough to shoot double legs

wanderlei had no confidence coming off 2 KOS

his training and sparring was limited

by all accounts he trained and sparred incredibly hard with many tough fighters preparing for keith

wanderlei now has a better and permanent muay thai coach..also a better boxing coach, and is sparring with boxers

wandy is full time with couture training everyting for the cage, especially wrestling

chuck was wandy's first time in the UFC and in the cage in years


i say wand can actually KO chuck in the rematch. he has to KO or TKo because the judges are soooo fucking biased towards chuck. he got a gift split in the keith fight (keith won fair and square) and somehow they gave him round 2 against wandy?????? even though on opie and anthony chuck said wand broke his ribs with a kick in rnd 2, wand landed more chuck.....vegas judges jerk chuck off. wandy can KO him tough.

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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
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Yeah it's just the Vegas judges that nuthug the UFC stars, that's never happened in places like... oh.. I don't know... England.

If Chuck sticks to the wrestling idea and grabs some takedowns he'll probably win again, but if Silva can put him in the clinch and throw some knees like back in the day he'll probably win.

I think everyone who's saying that their fight was one of the greatest fights and all this crap are just full of shit. Neither guy looked as good as they have before, I can't imagine why neither would be 100% for what should have been the fight of their lives but honestly neither a fantastic Chuck or Wanderlei showed up that night. If they have a rematch, I have to say it comes down to whoever shows up more again.


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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: Jadian]
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in england they were technically nuthugging a brittish star

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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
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And Jackson.


Most monkey punches thrown wins!


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Edited by Jadian (05/29/08 04:42 PM)

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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: Jadian]
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if you think jackson didnt clearly outpoint and beat hendo than you really crazy. hendo took 1 round

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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
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Sure if you're judging on wild swings that aren't landing.

Henderson controlled where the fight was, the pace of the fight, and the grappling the whole fucking fight. Just because you're on your back doesn't mean shit. He was going for the sweep and Jackson was defending, which means HENDO should be scoring the points.

Fact is Henderson won at least 3 rounds and the judges for the UFC don't know a goddamn thing about grappling.


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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: Jadian]
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Jadian said:
Fact is Henderson won at least 3 rounds and the judges for the UFC don't know a goddamn thing about grappling.



I don't know anything about MMA, but do you think this could be intentional on the part of the UFC in order to bring to prominence more fighters with striking skills as opposed to grapplers?

I ask because to people like me that are casual fans, the strikers are much more exciting. I don't understand most of the submissions, and while I don't decry their use, I would rather see guys standing on their feet and pounding on each other.

I bet quite a few other casual fans feel the same way and Dana White has proven that he can market his product, if nothing else. And he seems pretty slimy and ruthless, so I wouldn't put this past him.

Thoughts?


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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: Jadian]
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Jadian said:
Sure if you're judging on wild swings that aren't landing.

Henderson controlled where the fight was, the pace of the fight, and the grappling the whole fucking fight. Just because you're on your back doesn't mean shit. He was going for the sweep and Jackson was defending, which means HENDO should be scoring the points.

Fact is Henderson won at least 3 rounds and the judges for the UFC don't know a goddamn thing about grappling.



are you fucking kidding?? why dont you go count the takedowns? i understand u wanna nuthug dan but even he knew he lost. dan agreed with the decision. all the journalists who score the fights live on sherdog gave it to quinton. everyone thinks quinton won, but you know better? laughable.

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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
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Wandy would crush Chuck in a rematch, IMO. i'd really like to see Silva avenge Shoguns loss by murdering Griffin after Rampage reminds him that hes a TUF fighter. then Wandy takes the belt from Page and fights Chuck for a title defense.

there are a lot of solid LHWs in the UFC right now though, so it probably won't happen that beautifully.

i want to see any mix of Wandy v Thiago v Shogun really bad too.

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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: Jadian]
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The situation of Hendo vs Rampage was reminiscent of Ricco's fight with Couture back in '02.


Hendo had the stylistic advantage, which was reflected in the early rounds.


But as the fight progressed, the size advantage caught up with him.


When you have two guys with very similar tools, the size and strength profile of fighters really comes into play.


In the later rounds, you could tell Hendo struggled to succeed in the wrestling realm. And it being his biggest asset in the fight, it was also the tip of his demise.


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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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I don't know I'm sure I'm biased because I've learned MMA the way Henderson learned MMA essentially because to me a fight is won based off who is in control and who has better opportunities to finish the fight.

I could go on defending my theory forever but you're right, it was a mutual decision that Jackson won and I do have to accept it, agree or not.

I watched that fight several times and I guess I just don't score a takedown very high when you can't do a thing with it but sit there defending a sweep until you stand back up.


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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: Jadian]
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really?


you were a collegiate wrestler?


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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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Could be if the team will make up their mind :lol:

No I'm not although I have been asked to join the team (Several of my MMA coaches are also the wrestling coaches).  I do go to the same University as Henderson, and I train under Henderson's old wrestling partner and the guy he, Couture, and Lindland all learned MMA with.  Our camp is basically the minor league for Team Quest.  Several coaches and students go to Team Quest several times a year to prepare for their own fights or help Team Quest guys prepare for theirs. 

I see a lot of similarities and some downright exact techniques Henderson uses that I feel are rather localized to our gym here... not that other people won't do them but it's just kind of our calling card, you know?


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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: Jadian]
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Jadian said:
Could be if the team will make up their mind :lol:

No I'm not although I have been asked to join the team (Several of my MMA coaches are also the wrestling coaches).  I do go to the same University as Henderson, and I train under Henderson's old wrestling partner and the guy he, Couture, and Lindland all learned MMA with.  Our camp is basically the minor league for Team Quest.  Several coaches and students go to Team Quest several times a year to prepare for their own fights or help Team Quest guys prepare for theirs. 

I see a lot of similarities and some downright exact techniques Henderson uses that I feel are rather localized to our gym here... not that other people won't do them but it's just kind of our calling card, you know?



thats fucking tight, wish we had trainers of that caliber here. there's a Gracie camp an hour away, but I cant do that with school and work.

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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: Jadian]
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Jadian said:
Could be if the team will make up their mind :lol:

No I'm not although I have been asked to join the team (Several of my MMA coaches are also the wrestling coaches).  I do go to the same University as Henderson, and I train under Henderson's old wrestling partner and the guy he, Couture, and Lindland all learned MMA with.  Our camp is basically the minor league for Team Quest.  Several coaches and students go to Team Quest several times a year to prepare for their own fights or help Team Quest guys prepare for theirs. 





CSUF or ASU?


their wrestling program is pretty strong.  I've only recently started getting into competitive wrestling. 


So your trainer was a member of Team RAW?  Man that shit is old school.


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I see a lot of similarities and some downright exact techniques Henderson uses that I feel are rather localized to our gym here... not that other people won't do them but it's just kind of our calling card, you know?




could you give me some examples?


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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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LiquidSmoke said:
Jadian said:
Could be if the team will make up their mind :lol:

No I'm not although I have been asked to join the team (Several of my MMA coaches are also the wrestling coaches).  I do go to the same University as Henderson, and I train under Henderson's old wrestling partner and the guy he, Couture, and Lindland all learned MMA with.  Our camp is basically the minor league for Team Quest.  Several coaches and students go to Team Quest several times a year to prepare for their own fights or help Team Quest guys prepare for theirs. 





CSUF or ASU?


their wrestling program is pretty strong.  I've only recently started getting into competitive wrestling. 


So your trainer was a member of Team RAW?  Man that shit is old school.


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I see a lot of similarities and some downright exact techniques Henderson uses that I feel are rather localized to our gym here... not that other people won't do them but it's just kind of our calling card, you know?




could you give me some examples?



ASU, home of the only wrestling team to be cut and re-instated in less than two weeks :lol:  We do have some great wrestlers and coaches around so it was a huge shock when they canceled the program at first.

My coach went to a lot of international wrestling tournaments (Turkey, Greece, Cuba to name some places) with Lindland, Henderson, Couture, Gardner, etc.  Since my coach was also doing Muay Thai they trained a lot together back in the day when Couture was first doing UFC stuff.  Lots of cool pictures in his photo album, that's for sure.  (By the way he claims 9/10 times Henderson would beat Couture.)

A few examples of commonly practiced techniques from our gym I've seen in Henderson's style (well besides the obvious greco-roman shit) are sweeps (like the kimura sweep), shovels (he's one of the best in the business at holding on to or spinning off of someone), and the way he punishes people when he's grappling.  His grappling isn't smooth and swift like say a Gracie or something it's more of a wrestlers idea of overpowering, digging, and working hard to get what you're going for.  If someone takes an elbow in the jaw or you gotta grind your fist into a neck on the way to a move, so be it.


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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: Jadian]
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Jadian said:
A few examples of commonly practiced techniques from our gym I've seen in Henderson's style (well besides the obvious greco-roman shit) are sweeps (like the kimura sweep), shovels (he's one of the best in the business at holding on to or spinning off of someone), and the way he punishes people when he's grappling.  His grappling isn't smooth and swift like say a Gracie or something it's more of a wrestlers idea of overpowering, digging, and working hard to get what you're going for.  If someone takes an elbow in the jaw or you gotta grind your fist into a neck on the way to a move, so be it.




So basically....wrestling.  :smirk:


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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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Pretty much wrestling off your back for MMA, yeah.


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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: Jadian]
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henderson beat rampage

Silva would beat chuck, hendo, and rampage in rematches :laugh:


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Re: can wanderlei beat chuck in a rematch?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
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KingOftheThing said:
are you fucking kidding?? why dont you go count the takedowns? i understand u wanna nuthug dan but even he knew he lost. dan agreed with the decision. all the journalists who score the fights live on sherdog gave it to quinton. everyone thinks quinton won, but you know better? laughable.



I know right, the only place ive heard it disputed was here on the shroomery. Some people need to rewatch the fight.

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