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Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.)
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I've always been partial to three above all others: William Carlos Williams, e.e. cummings, and William Blake. For the past few days I have been reading Volume 1 of W.C.Williams' collected poetry and it's all quite so beautiful and inspiring. Especially in the dazzling early days of spring time. Here are a few favorites of mine from William Carlos Williams:

Danse Russe

If when my wife is sleeping
and the baby and Kathleen
are sleeping
and the sun is a flame-white disc
in silken mists
above shining trees,--
if I in my north room
dance naked, grotesquely
before my mirror
waving my shirt round my head
and singing softly to myself:
"I am lonely, lonely.
I was born to be lonely,
I am best so!"
If I admire my arms, my face,
my shoulders, flanks, buttocks
against the yellow drawn shades,--

Who shall say I am not
the happy genius of my household?

To a Friend Concerning Several Ladies

You know there is not much
that I desire, a few chrysanthemums
half lying on the grass, yellow
and brown and white, the
talk of a few people, the trees,
an expanse of dried leaves perhaps
with ditches among them.
But there comes
between me and these things
a letter
or even a look—well placed,
you understand,
so that I am confused, twisted
four ways and—left flat,
unable to lift the food to
my own mouth:
Here is what they say: Come!
and come! and come! And if
I do not go I remain stale to
myself and if I go—
I have watched
the city from a distance at night
and wondered why I wrote no poem.
Come! yes,
the city is ablaze for you
and you stand and look at it.

And they are right. There is
no good in the world except out of
a woman and certain women alone
for certain. But what if
I arrive like a turtle,
with my house on my back or
a fish ogling from under water?
It will not do. I must be
steaming with love, colored
like a flamingo. For what?
To have legs and a silly head
and to smell, pah! like a flamingo
that soils its own feathers behind.
Must I go home filled
with a bad poem?
And they say:
Who can answer these things
till he has tried? Your eyes
are half closed, you are a child,
oh, a sweet one, ready to play
but I will make a man of you and
with love on his shoulder—!

And in the marshes
the crickets run
on the sunny dike's top and
make burrows there, the water
reflects the reeds and the reeds
move on their stalks and rattle drily.

This Is Just To Say

I have eaten
the plums
that were in
the icebox

and which
you were probably
saving
for breakfast

Forgive me
they were delicious
so sweet
and so cold


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Shel Silverstein purely for nostalgia.

I can dig on a Bukowski poem if I'm drunk, too.


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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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RUMI

I never felt touched by poetry until I read some of his work.

I don't have a favorite; otherwise I'd post it. He is consistently awesome.

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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: jewunit]
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Here are some e.e. cummings selections that I particularly love;

i like my body when it is with your

i like my body when it is with your
body. It is so quite a new thing.
Muscles better and nerves more.
i like your body. i like what it does,
i like its hows. i like to feel the spine
of your body and its bones, and the trembling
-firm-smooth ness and which i will
again and again and again
kiss, i like kissing this and that of you,
i like,, slowly stroking the, shocking fuzz
of your electric fur, and what-is-it comes
over parting flesh . . . . And eyes big Love-crumbs,

and possibly i like the thrill

of under me you quite so new

since feeling is first

since feeling is first
who pays any attention
to the syntax of things
will never wholly kiss you;

wholly to be a fool
while Spring is in the world

my blood approves,
and kisses are a far better fate
than wisdom
lady i swear by all flowers. Don't cry
--the best gesture of my brain is less than
your eyelids' flutter which says

we are for eachother: then
laugh, leaning back in my arms
for life's not a paragraph

And death i think is no parenthesis

somewhere I have never travelled

somewhere i have never travelled,gladly beyond
any experience,your eyes have their silence:
in your most frail gesture are things which enclose me,
or which i cannot touch because they are too near

your slightest look easily will unclose me
though i have closed myself as fingers,
you open always petal by petal myself as Spring opens
(touching skilfully,mysteriously) her first rose

or if your wish be to close me,i and
my life will shut very beautifully, suddenly,
as when the heart of this flower imagines
the snow carefully everywhere descending;

nothing which we are to perceive in this world equals
the power of your intense fragility: whose texture
compels me with the color of its countries,
rendering death and forever with each breathing

(i do not know what it is about you that closes
and opens; only something in me understands
the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses)
nobody,not even the rain, has such small hands


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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I'm not really into poetry, so I gotta just say Jim Morrison. I like his poetry because I'm already such a big fan of his music.











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Mp3 of the month: Wild Things- Another Colored Ink Drawing (A.C.I.D.)


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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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William Carlos Williams! I've never read his work before, but I enjoyed the ones you posted.

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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: MOTH]
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William Carlos Williams was a doctor in Paterson, NJ. He wrote a lot at home when not working but also he would make house calls, taking his typewriter with him in his car, and writing poems about his patients after treating them. He managed to be both an accomplished poet AND physician in his lifetime...kudos to him!


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
Here are some e.e. cummings selections that I particularly love;

i like my body when it is with your

i like my body when it is with your
  body. It is so quite a new thing.
  Muscles better and nerves more.
  i like your body. i like what it does,
  i like its hows. i like to feel the spine
  of your body and its bones, and the trembling
  -firm-smooth ness and which i will
  again and again and again
  kiss, i like kissing this and that of you,
  i like,, slowly stroking the, shocking fuzz
  of your electric fur, and what-is-it comes
  over parting flesh . . . . And eyes big Love-crumbs,

  and possibly i like the thrill

  of under me you quite so new

since feeling is first

since feeling is first
who pays any attention
to the syntax of things
will never wholly kiss you;

wholly to be a fool
while Spring is in the world

my blood approves,
and kisses are a far better fate
than wisdom
lady i swear by all flowers. Don't cry
--the best gesture of my brain is less than
your eyelids' flutter which says

we are for eachother: then
laugh, leaning back in my arms
for life's not a paragraph

And death i think is no parenthesis






RAWR! Those are some steamy ones.  :crazy2:

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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Louis MacNeice

Wolves

I do not want to be reflective any more
Envying and despising unreflective things
Finding pathos in dogs and undeveloped handwriting
And young girls doing their hair and all the castles of sand
Flushed by the childrenæs bedtime, level with the shore.

The tide comes in and goes out again, I do not want
To be always stressing either its flux or its permanence,
I do not want to be a tragic or philosophic chorus
But to keep my eye only on the nearer future
And after that let the sea flow over us.

Come then all of you, come closer, form a circle,
Join hands and make believe that joined
Hands will keep away the wolves of water
Who howl along our coast. And be it assumed
That no one hears them among the talk and laughter.

Snow

The room was suddenly rich and the great bay-window was
Spawning snow and pink roses against it
Soundlessly collateral and incompatible:
World is suddener than we fancy it.

World is crazier and more of it than we think,
Incorrigibly plural. I peel and portion
A tangerine and spit the pips and feel
The drunkenness of things being various.

And the fire flames with a bubbling sound for world
Is more spiteful and gay than one supposes–
On the tongue on the eyes on the ears in the palms of your hands–
There is more than glass between the snow and the huge roses.


He's my current favorite.

I also like:

Richard Siken
Seamus Heaney
Auden
Rumi
Keats
Rilke


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History says, Don't hope

On this side of the grave.

But then, once in a lifetime

The longed-for tidal wave

Of justice can rise up

And hope and history rhyme.

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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: MOTH]
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Quote:
i like,, slowly stroking the, shocking fuzz
of your electric fur,



:yakko:


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Lucy in the sky with Diamonds!

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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: MiddleFinger]
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Nice, thanks for posting those. I'll have to check out Rumi on both yours and MOTH's recommendations.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: MOTH]
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This forum post is a nostalgic reflection on the author's past, intertwined with themes of youth, hope, and the passage of time. The writer shares their admiration for Samuel Taylor Coleridge's works, particularly "Youth and age" and "suicide's argument." The post explores the author's longing for the carefree days of their youth, when they were "one with YOUTH." They reminisce about nature, love, and friendship, which they believe were more vibrant in their younger years. The tone is melancholic, as the author grapples with the realization that these youthful experiences are now gone. The post also delves into the author's family history and personal relationships, revealing a deep connection to their ancestors and a longing for the presence of a family member. Overall, the post is a poignant exploration of memory, identity, and the bittersweet nature of aging.

Its weird yesterday I stumbled onto some Samuel Taylor Coleridge online and was really digging some of his short works. I don't ussualy like old romantic stuff at all.

"Youth and age"

Verse, a Breeze 'mid blossoms straying,
Where HOPE clung feeding, like a bee--
Both were mine ! Life went a-maying
With NATURE, HOPE, and POESY,
When I was young !
When I was young ?--Ah, woful WHEN !
Ah ! for the Change 'twixt Now and Then !
This breathing House not built with hands,
This body that does me grievous wrong,
O'er æry Cliffs and glittering Sands,
How lightly then it flashed along :--
Like those trim skiffs, unknown of yore,
On winding lakes and rivers wide,
That ask no aid of Sail or Oar,
That fear no spite of Wind or Tide !
Nought cared this Body for wind or weather
When YOUTH and I lived in't together.

FLOWERS are lovely ; LOVE is flower-like ;
FRIENDSHIP is a sheltering tree ;
O ! the Joys, that came down shower-like,
Of FRIENDSHIP, LOVE, and LIBERTY,
Ere I was old !
Ere I was old ? Ah woful ERE,
Which tells me, YOUTH'S no longer here !
O YOUTH ! for years so many and sweet,
'Tis known, that Thou and I were one,
I'll think it but a fond conceit--
It cannot be that Thou art gone !
Thy Vesper-bell hath not yet toll'd :--
And thou wert aye a Masker bold !
What strange Disguise hast now put on,
To make believe, that thou art gone ?
I see these Locks in silvery slips,
This drooping Gait, this altered Size :
But SPRINGTIDE blossoms on thy Lips,
And Tears take sunshine from thine eyes !
Life is but Thought : so think I will
That YOUTH and I are House-mates still.

Dew-drops are the gems of morning,
But the tears of mournful eve !
Where no hope is, life's a warning
That only serves to make us grieve,
When we are old :
That only serves to make us grieve
With oft and tedious taking-leave,
Like some poor nigh-related guest,
That may not rudely be dismist ;
Yet hath outstay'd his welcome while,
And tells the jest without the smile.


"suicide's arguement"

Ere the birth of my life, if I wished it or no
No question was asked me--it could not be so !
If the life was the question, a thing sent to try
And to live on be YES; what can NO be ? to die.
NATURE'S ANSWER
Is't returned, as 'twas sent ? Is't no worse for the wear ?
Think first, what you ARE ! Call to mind what you WERE !
I gave you innocence, I gave you hope,
Gave health, and genius, and an ample scope,
Return you me guilt, lethargy, despair ?
Make out the invent'ry ; inspect, compare !
Then die--if die you dare !


"and work without hope"


All Nature seems at work. Slugs leave their lair--
The bees are stirring--birds are on the wing--
And WINTER slumbering in the open air,
Wears on his smiling face a dream of Spring !
And I, the while, the sole unbusy thing,
Nor honey make, nor pair, nor build, nor sing.
Yet well I ken the banks where Amaranths blow,
Have traced the fount whence streams of nectar flow.
Bloom, O ye Amaranths ! bloom for whom ye may,
For me ye bloom not ! Glide, rich streams, away !
With lips unbrightened, wreathless brow, I stroll :
And would you learn the spells that drowse my soul ?
WORK WITHOUT HOPE draws nectar in a sieve,
And HOPE without an object cannot live.




I always dug Etheredge Knight

Here is "feeling fucked up"

Lord she's gone done left me done packed / up and split
and I with no way to make her
come back and everywhere the world is bare
bright bone white crystal sand glistens
dope death dead dying and jiving drove
her away made her take her laughter and her smiles
and her softness and her midnight sighs--


Fuck Coltrane and music and clouds drifting in the sky
fuck the sea and trees and the sky and birds
and alligators and all the animals that roam the earth
fuck marx and mao fuck fidel and nkrumah and
democracy and communism fuck smack and pot
and red ripe tomatoes fuck joseph fuck mary fuck
god jesus and all the disciples fuck fanon nixon
and malcom fuck the revolution fuck freedom fuck
the whole muthafucking thing
all i want now is my woman back
so my soul can sing

here is "Idea on ancestry"

1


Taped to the wall of my cell are 47 pictures: 47 black

faces: my father, mother, grandmothers (1 dead), grand-

fathers (both dead), brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts,

cousins (1st and 2nd), nieces, and nephews. They stare

across the space at me sprawling on my bunk. I know

their dark eyes, they know mine. I know their style,

they know mine. I am all of them, they are all of me;

they are farmers, I am a thief, I am me, they are thee.



I have at one time or another been in love with my mother,

1 grandmother, 2 sisters, 2 aunts (1 went to the asylum),

and 5 cousins. I am now in love with a 7-yr-old niece

(she sends me letters in large block print, and

her picture is the only one that smiles at me).



I have the same name as 1 grandfather, 3 cousins, 3 nephews,

and 1 uncle. The uncle disappeared when he was 15, just took

off and caught a freight (they say). He's discussed each year

when the family has a reunion, he causes uneasiness in

the clan, he is an empty space. My father's mother, who is 93

and who keeps the Family Bible with everbody's birth dates

(and death dates) in it, always mentions him. There is no

place in her Bible for "whereabouts unknown."





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Each fall the graves of my grandfathers call me, the brown

hills and red gullies of mississippi send out their electric

messages, galvanizing my genes. Last yr/like a salmon quitting

the cold ocean-leaping and bucking up his birth stream/I

hitchhiked my way from LA with 16 caps in my pocket and a

monkey on my back. And I almost kicked it with the kinfolks.

I walked barefooted in my grandmother's backyard/I smelled the

old

land and the woods/I sipped cornwhiskey from fruit jars with the

men/

I flirted with the women/I had a ball till the caps ran out

and my habit came down. That night I looked at my grandmother

and split/my guts were screaming for junk/but I was almost

contented/I had almost caught up with me.

(The next day in Memphis I cracked a croaker's crib for a fix.)



This yr there is a gray stone wall damming my stream, and when

the falling leaves stir my genes, I pace my cell or flop on my bunk

and stare at 47 black faces across the space. I am all of them,

they are all of me, I am me, they are thee, and I have no children

to float in the space between.


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"And we, inhabitants of the great coral of the Cosmos, believe the atom (which still we cannot see) to be full matter, whereas, it too, like everything else, is but an embroidery of voids in the Void, and we give the name of being, dense and even eternal, to that dance of inconsistencies, that infinite extension that is identified with absolute Nothingness and that spins from its own non-being the illusion of everything."

Edited by DirtMcgirt (04/29/08 11:43 PM)

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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: jewunit]
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jewunit said:
Shel Silverstein purely for nostalgia.

I can dig on a Bukowski poem if I'm drunk, too.



Shit man, I don't even need to be drunk. Bukowski is amazing. No bullshit with that guy. His work sort of emanates a sad, resigned truth. It's really beautiful actually. Not even really depressing, just more "yeah, that's how it is".


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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Girl In A Miniskirt Reading The Bible Outside My Window

Sunday, I am eating a
grapefruit, church is over at the Russian
Orthadox to the
west.

she is dark
of Eastern descent,
large brown eyes look up from the Bible
then down. a small red and black
Bible, and as she reads
her legs keep moving, moving,
she is doing a slow rythmic dance
reading the Bible. . .

long gold earrings;
2 gold bracelets on each arm,
and it's a mini-suit, I suppose,
the cloth hugs her body,
the lightest of tans is that cloth,
she twists this way and that,
long yellow legs warm in the sun. . .

there is no escaping her being
there is no desire to. . .

my radio is playing symphonic music
that she cannot hear
but her movements coincide exactly
to the rythms of the
symphony. . .

she is dark, she is dark
she is reading about God.
I am God.

---Bukowski


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Edited by Penguarky Tunguin (04/29/08 11:48 PM)

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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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I just don't "get" poetry, it normally just bothers me to read it, but Bukowski just goes hand in hand with alcohol, a marriage I've made in my mind.


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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: jewunit]
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lol, i don't really have anything to add.

the only two poets i like are bukowski and rumi.

edit: oh yeah and saul williams of course.


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Edited by truekimbo2 (04/29/08 11:56 PM)

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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: jewunit]
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I don't even read Bukowski as poetry.  Just like a story in a paragraph broken down into lots of lines.  :smirk:


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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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Whenever I read poetry I always pause after every line.
So I read it as something like this.

Sunday I am eating a (pause) grapefruit, church is over at the Russian (pause) Orthodox to the West. (Really long pause for new stanza)

You get the point.


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Re: Which poets do you enjoy the most? (If you're into that sorta thing.) [Re: jewunit]
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jewunit said:
Whenever I read poetry I always pause after every line.
So I read it as something like this.

Sunday I am eating a (pause) grapefruit, church is over at the Russian (pause) Orthodox to the West. (Really long pause for new stanza)

You get the point.



You should try reading poetry out loud to yourself. You just sort of end up stumbling into the rhythm of how it should probably be read...I think poetry is a lot more gratifying when its read aloud. Get good and drunk and angry and read Howl out loud in your room some night - now that's a good time.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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