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Bandersnatch
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Re: Rubbing Alcohol? I'm scared.

[Re: Complex]
#8318894 - 04/23/08 03:56 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

If you can still smell alcohol after it's completely dry, you've got a problem.

Alcohol is volatile and evaporates very easily.

You should have no problem evaporating it all out, especially if it's 99%

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Re: Rubbing Alcohol? I'm scared.

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#8318909 - 04/23/08 03:59 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

> Iso-alcohol has poisons specifically added to prevent consumption though. do those evaporate?

Close ... iso-alcohol is a poison. The liver turns it into acetone. The fumes are also heavier than air, meaning they will sink to the floor, and they are highly flammable.

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Re: Rubbing Alcohol? I'm scared.

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#8318974 - 04/23/08 04:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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i didn't think of that
Iso-alcohol has poisons specifically added to prevent consumption though. do those evaporate?

There are no added "posions" in IPA,You are 100% safe using this on blotter. IPA is only twice as toxic as ethanol,so even if you didint evap it all the way a tiny drop on blotter shouldent hurt you.

Evap in the oven with the door open a crack,this is how thousands of people have done things like this in the past.

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Bandersnatch
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Re: Rubbing Alcohol? I'm scared.

[Re: Fnord]
#8318983 - 04/23/08 04:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Turning on the stove vent fan would also help remove some of the fumes.

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Complex
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Re: Rubbing Alcohol? I'm scared.

[Re: Fnord]
#8318984 - 04/23/08 04:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ok awesome, i know ive said it like twice already but i really appreciate everyones input on this, its really put my mind to rest.

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Re: Rubbing Alcohol? I'm scared.

[Re: Complex]
#8319121 - 04/23/08 04:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Complex said:

I thought rubbing alcohol that contained methyl was the blindness causing one? Anyways, is there anyway I can tell if the alcohol is fully evaporated?

The one with the methyl group that will make you go blind is methanol, another great solvent, but a little more toxic.

Technically, though, isopropyl alcohol is methanol with 2 methyl groups attached to it. I think that's right, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: Rubbing Alcohol? I'm scared.

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#8319175 - 04/23/08 05:00 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Isopropyl alcohol is produced by combining water and propylene.[3] There are two processes for achieving this: indirect hydration via the sulfuric acid process and direct hydration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol

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Re: Rubbing Alcohol? I'm scared.

[Re: Bandersnatch]
#8319235 - 04/23/08 05:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

That tells you how it is made...not what it's made of :wink:

:wink:

Isopropanol is, in fact, just a methanol with a methyl group added to it.

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Re: Rubbing Alcohol? I'm scared.

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#8319271 - 04/23/08 05:19 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The difference between the two is in their metabolism once in the body...with isopropanol being metabolized into acetone and methanol being metabolized into formaldehyde (primarily...).

It's the formaldehyde that does the real damage, like causing blindness.

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Re: Rubbing Alcohol? I'm scared.

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#8319326 - 04/23/08 05:31 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

:imslow:

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#8320069 - 04/23/08 08:11 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

ok well the solution is almost done sitting. Hypothetically speaking say not all of this IPA evaporated and I ingest one of the blotters (its been diluted with 900mL of water, strained onto the coffee filter, and dried in the oven on 300 degrees), what should my sitter be looking for as far as if I'm actually poisoned or how long should I be symptom free to consider myself in the clear?

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Re: Rubbing Alcohol? I'm scared.

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#8320111 - 04/23/08 08:20 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The amount of alcohol even if it were present would be completely negligible.

I've gotten isopropyl alcohol in my mouth before while cleaning piercings with no effect at all.

I'd imagine you would have to take a somewhat significant amount to have a negative reaction to it.

I really think there is nothing for you to worry about. If the blotter is dry and does not smell of alcohol there should not be any amount, significant or not, to worry about.

You would not be ingesting more than you would normally absorb through the skin when applied externally.

It is "rubbing alcohol" after all.

Have a good trip and do not worry.

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#8320138 - 04/23/08 08:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

ahh awesome thanks, good karma to all of you.

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Re: Rubbing Alcohol? I'm scared.

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#8320141 - 04/23/08 08:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Like i said a drop or two or 3 or 12 shouldent hurt you but heres the symptoms for oral posioning i think im remembering them all but its been a while since ive read about this stuff for oral posioning look for the normal acetone symptoms things like Nausea. Abdominal pain. Unconsciousness. Laboured breathing. Vomiting. For inhaltion during evaperation look for Cough. Drowsiness. Dizziness. Sore throat. Headache.

But as i said IPA is about twice as toxic as drinking alcohol,unless your eating a soaking wet chunk of paper youll be all set.

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Re: Rubbing Alcohol? I'm scared.

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#8321185 - 04/24/08 12:02 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Well,the blotters are done. We made 5 strips and it doesnt smell a thing like IPA:). Im not 100% what these things are supposed to look like and the 'crystals' we're supposed to have are the stereotypical crystals i think of, they are like dark green, almost blackish. So I guess only a test will see if this worked.

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Re: Rubbing Alcohol? I'm scared.

[Re: Complex]
#8321535 - 04/24/08 01:20 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Good luck.

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