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jalfonso
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does alcohol kill spores
#827885 - 08/19/02 09:47 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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does alcohol spores and if alcohol is injected into substrates would it kill it?
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mickey_rourke
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Re: does alcohol kill spores [Re: jalfonso]
#827891 - 08/19/02 09:48 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes it does. I already answered this. Are you this slow?
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Re: does alcohol kill spores *DELETED* [Re: jalfonso]
#827892 - 08/19/02 09:49 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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REDnBLUEshrooms
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Re: does alcohol kill spores [Re: jalfonso]
#828171 - 08/19/02 12:23 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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why the hell would you put alcohol in the substrate for?? your gonna end up eating it, so even there i'd stop injecting crap into the substrate.
if you're looking to cure bruising on the cakes, you dunk em in one part vinegar, and 20 parts water. maybe more parts water if you wanted. but dunking them, and letting them rest will fix most problems
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zeta
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That's a really stupid idea, why would you want to dunk your cakes in vinegar water? Contams favour acidic conditions.
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TheShroomHermit
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Re: does alcohol kill spores [Re: jalfonso]
#828274 - 08/19/02 01:04 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes...
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staindblue
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Re: does alcohol kill spores [Re: phrozendata]
#828541 - 08/19/02 03:17 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Peroxide will kill spores won't it phrozen? I'm guessing you would have to let the spores germinate before using it.?. Zeta acidic conditions don't favor contams. Peat moss has a PH of 3.5-4.5 since this acidic condition precludes many contaminates from colonizing it as a substrate peat is concidered to be a fairly clean starting material. This was taken from Stamets & Chilton's The Mushroom Cultivator. Just thought you'd like to know
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entheo_smurf
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Re: does alcohol kill spores [Re: staindblue]
#828554 - 08/19/02 03:27 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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H2O2 does kill spores. It won't kill myc., but it will kill spores.
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indkebr
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no need to put this newb down. i can understand that he would assuem it would kill the contams and was just hoping it wouldn't kill the rest. a little research could have answered it for him but still.
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Macey Howard
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#828845 - 08/19/02 05:49 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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DERRAYLD
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Re: does alcohol kill spores [Re: Macey Howard]
#829096 - 08/19/02 07:40 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think hippie said a while ago that the bleach dunk tek ended up being a bit of a balls up when he realised the bleach was infact favouring the growth of trich. I`ve experienced similar problems with casings I tried to dunk that became overun with trich after being a totally healthy casing.
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zeta
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Re: does alcohol kill spores [Re: staindblue]
#831154 - 08/20/02 06:17 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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In reply to:
Peat moss has a PH of 3.5-4.5 since this acidic condition precludes many contaminates from colonizing it as a substrate
No... low pH favours contams, which is why people add lime and/or oyster shell to raise the pH
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zeta
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Re: does alcohol kill spores [Re: zeta]
#831184 - 08/20/02 06:27 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I quote from The Mushroom Cultivator: Trichoderma: Species in this genus generally prefer an acid pH in the 4-5.5 (6) range Page 310
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Champion des Champignons
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Re: does alcohol kill spores [Re: zeta]
#831871 - 08/21/02 01:25 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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a lot of people seem to confuse high pH with high acidity, where the opposite is true. so, trichoderma likes low pH/high acidity.....
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cheesenoonions
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Re: does alcohol kill spores [Re: DERRAYLD]
#831943 - 08/21/02 02:46 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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hippie said that adding vinegar to your bleach dunk favored trich, not the bleach. To my knowledge he still endorses the tek and has changed the volumes to 200 parts bleach to 1 part water
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Re: does alcohol kill spores [Re: zeta]
#832720 - 08/21/02 09:33 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can read about this at home canning sites.
Mold growth in foods can raise the pH of the food. In home canned products, this could mean that the high acid products could become low acid and therefore run the risk of botulism or other bacterial spoilage. Thus, any home canned product that shows signs of mold growth should be discarded. The exception to this is jellied products. In these the high sugar content would prevent the growth of Clostridium botulinum. In jellied products, remove any surface mold plus 1/2 inch of the good product underneath and then use the rest immediately. Jellied products with extensive mold should be discarded.
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