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itsallnines
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baking soda instead of oyster shells?
#8037570 - 02/18/08 11:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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is there a reason to not use baking soda?
reading up on the stuff, it is a nice weak alkaline that will buffer in both directions.
not trying to reinvent the wheel, just thinking about stuff and i have the baking soda on the shelf.
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itsallnines
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: itsallnines]
#8037627 - 02/18/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well, i did a search, belatedly. i see this has been thought of/done before. however, i didn't find any results, and very few opinions. anyone know more?
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blood4blood
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: itsallnines]
#8037656 - 02/18/08 12:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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this would be interesting to find out.
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P.Menace
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: itsallnines]
#8037663 - 02/18/08 12:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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baking soda is salts. therefore will kill mycellium
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itsallnines
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: P.Menace]
#8037695 - 02/18/08 12:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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oyster shell is a salt as well, it is just calcium based.
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: itsallnines]
#8037709 - 02/18/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hydrated Lime/Gypsum FTMFW!!!
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itsallnines
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8037765 - 02/18/08 12:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok, i give up, what does FTMFW mean?
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: itsallnines]
#8037778 - 02/18/08 12:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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For The Mother Fucking Win
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8037794 - 02/18/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
dumbfounded1600 said: Hydrated Lime/Gypsum FTMFW!!!
 fo sho! hahaha
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itsallnines
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8037800 - 02/18/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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haha! ok, gotcha.
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: itsallnines]
#8037830 - 02/18/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Baking soda is a salt. It will kill the mycelium. RR
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itsallnines
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: itsallnines]
#8037888 - 02/18/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i get that it is a salt. trust me. but so is calcium carbonate and lime, etc. what is different about baking soda? is it the sodium? the fact that it is more readily water soluble?
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: itsallnines]
#8037909 - 02/18/08 01:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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In a nutshell, yes. Calcium carbonate is water-insoluble.
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: itsallnines]
#8037914 - 02/18/08 01:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The word soda should give a clue. If not, go ahead and use it if you're determined. It's been used for years in the commercial mushroom industry to kill molds in order to give a tray an extra week to finish flushing. I'm curious how you brand ground limestone as a 'salt'. RR
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itsallnines
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8037956 - 02/18/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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from wikipedia (not the best source, i know):
"Carbonate-containing salts are industrially and mineralogically ubiquitous. The term "carbonate" is also commonly used to refer to one of these salts or carbonate minerals. Most common is calcite, or calcium carbonate, the chief constituent of limestone. The process of removing carbon dioxide from these salts by heating is called calcination." i added the bold to the font.
calcium is a metal, like elemental sodium or potassium, "Calcium is a soft grey alkaline earth metal..." and when combined with carbonates, chlorides, etc., it becomes a salt.
again from wikipedia:
"A salt, in chemistry, is defined as the product formed from the neutralisation reaction of acids and bases. Salts are ionic compounds composed of cations (positively charged ions) and anions (negative ions) so that the product is electrically neutral (without a net charge). These component ions can be inorganic such as chloride (Cl−), as well as organic such as acetate (CH3COO−) and monoatomic ions such as fluoride (F−), as well as polyatomic ions such as sulfate (SO42−)."
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: itsallnines]
#8038224 - 02/18/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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hmmmmm i was reading somewhere here on the forum someone added pinch of baking soda to his/her LC i did the same... dont ask me why... LC turned out pretty good... just my 2 cents
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: mescalinaz]
#8038246 - 02/18/08 02:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I crush a piece of black board chalk in a ziplock with a rolling pin and add it to my grain. Dollar store 50 pieces for $1.(that's my 2 cents BWAHHAHAHA!) I don't want to use wallboard gypsum cause I think it has a fungicide in it but the agricultural gypsum is like $30 for a bag it would take me 5 years to use....looking for a smaller bag I may try the drywall stuff and see if the fungicide can be broken down by heat in the PC or if the concentration is too low to mess with my shrooms.
Edited by Peterthinks (02/18/08 02:32 PM)
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: Peterthinks]
#8038464 - 02/18/08 03:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Peterthinks said: I crush a piece of black board chalk in a ziplock with a rolling pin and add it to my grain. Dollar store 50 pieces for $1.(that's my 2 cents BWAHHAHAHA!) I don't want to use wallboard gypsum cause I think it has a fungicide in it but the agricultural gypsum is like $30 for a bag it would take me 5 years to use....looking for a smaller bag I may try the drywall stuff and see if the fungicide can be broken down by heat in the PC or if the concentration is too low to mess with my shrooms.
the antifungal drywall has a green tint and is more expensive. just regular old white drywall is not antifungal.
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: norml840]
#8038723 - 02/18/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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itsallnines
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Re: baking soda instead of oyster shells? [Re: Peterthinks]
#8040723 - 02/18/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you know, i have shit-tons of sidewalk chalk. i'll try that and the baking soda. IF i can get some myc going. i don't know what is the problem, but three attempts in a row have gotten me NOTHING. i did three successful grows with the PF tek and now can't even get the spores to start. frustrated as hell.
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