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MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke
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I found out it was already posted ehre, but still I would like to share it in the pub:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7772858/an/0/page/1

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Re: MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke [Re: stefan]
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There's been a study like this done before and it was shown that it was funded by biased sources. Plus, who smokes as much pot as they do tobacco?

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Re: MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke [Re: stefan]
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i believe it..

that's why i quit a long time ago.

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Re: MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke [Re: im_on_a_boat]
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you still eat it then? you can never eat too much pot. i mean, that's not true but you get my point.


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Re: MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke [Re: canid]
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naw i dont eat it either..

if i do smoke it's that one special day of the year :tongue:

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Re: MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke [Re: im_on_a_boat]
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Haven't read the article, but I do know that a similar study was done showing that while the level of carcinogens and tars in pot are higher than tobacco, chances of cancer were much lower.
They attributed this to the fact that pot kills older cells which are cells that have the possibility of becoming cancerous.


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Re: MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke [Re: Veter]
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Quote:
They attributed this to the fact that pot kills older cells which are cells that have the possibility of becoming cancerous.


well that's a 'fact' I've never heard off

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Re: MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke [Re: stefan]
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Buy a vap if you worry about toxins form pot smoke
Fuck tobacco

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Re: MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke [Re: Gumby]
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Gumby said:
Plus, who smokes as much pot as they do tobacco?


Um, people who smoke marijuana and not tobacco?

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Re: MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke [Re: spud]
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I smoke a pack of cigarettes a day.

Do you smoke 20 joints a day?

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Re: MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke [Re: spud]
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no, that would be people who smoked neither tobacco nor ganja, or smoked both, but in equal measure.


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Re: MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke [Re: Gumby]
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1) Whoever said this was a biased study SHOW ME

people who smoke pot are always claiming shit like that. Read the thread, I discuss how the news article is misleading. Anti drug groups suffer from the often-wrong conclusions they draw, and by making ridiculous statements. That doesn't mean university or all government-funded research is biased. Show where they made wrongheaded conclusions.

2) The study doesn't say marijuana is more toxic. Read the thread. It actually showed much lower levels of heavy metals and other nastiness in marijuana. It also showed lower levels of most anthracenes.

3) Even with the one anthracene higher than the tobacco sample, the study claimed no conclusions could be drawn either way, as independant tobacco samples (they used one manufacturer for both pot and marijuana) were not indicative of global trends, and that growing conditions vary concentrations greatly

4) The one group that was much higher were the nitrogenous compounds, including ammonia, which the news article hyped. To my knowledge these relativly low levels of inorganic nitrogenous compounds don't cause lasting effects, though they are respiratory toxins. The effects ware off, unless you are so low on respiratory reserve that you suffer hypoxic damage, in which case you shouldn't be smoking anyways.

5) The observation of lower levels of consumption amongst junkies of both marijuana and tobacco seem right on. The levels of the single class of molecules that were higher don't seem to be a great threat, and the low levels of total consumption seem to be a great advantage in marijuana

6) The nitrogenous compounds probably help lower the anthracene content of the sample, so they may be a good thing

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Re: MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke [Re: Gumby]
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Gumby said:
There's been a study like this done before and it was shown that it was funded by biased sources. Plus, who smokes as much pot as they do tobacco?


what study are you refering to?

Are you saying this study can be written-off cuz of the ubiquity of anti-marijuana claims with little support?

This study doesn't seem to be biased, and makes no claims as to the dangers of pot or tobacco

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Re: MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke [Re: johnm214]
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finally someone who looks into a research and see what it actually means in stead of just believing a hype. I must admit that I didn't take the time to do it for this one, but usually I also try to see how they researched it and if you can make causal assumptions from it or that there are just correlations etc.

For now I just wanted to post it for people who say MJ smoke is harmless, but thatns for pointing these things out:thumbup:

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Re: MJ smoke more toxic than tobacco smoke [Re: stefan]
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stefan said:
finally someone who looks into a research and see what it actually means in stead of just believing a hype. I must admit that I didn't take the time to do it for this one, but usually I also try to see how they researched it and if you can make causal assumptions from it or that there are just correlations etc.

For now I just wanted to post it for people who say MJ smoke is harmless, but thatns for pointing these things out:thumbup:


cool, glad you found it interesting.  I posted a link to the whole article in the news forum


Pretty much it about equal in organic carcinogens and less in heavy metals, then tobacco.  And due to the differences in mass consumed, marijuana wins.


But yeah, the news article did a horrible summary.  Any objective look at the data found everything the same, slightly better, or alot better (heavy metals, i.e. mercury et cet) w/ the pot yet they write that it has x times more ammonia.

Most likely this ammonia is just a byproduct of the fertilization of the weed (which is not street bud, purchased from ONE grower), and I'm not aware of serious trouble from the ammonia levels anyways .

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