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To flip or not to flip?
    #759378 - 07/19/02 03:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hello everyone. I am in the process of growing shrooms my first time using the Simple Cubensis Growing Technique with satisfactory results. The only thing is that I have no mushrooms growing from the top of my cake, all come from the sides. I was wonding if this was because once I dumped the cake out of the jar I flipped it over so the dry vermiculture side was up as this tek recommends. I scaped as much of the vermiculture away as I could, but there was still a layer on top. I looked at a couple of other teks, including the PF Tek, Magic Mushrooms Growing Guide, and PF-tek for Dummies and noticed that these teks do not advise to turn the cake over so the dry vermiculture layer is up, but insted birth the cake with dry vermiculture layer down. For anyone who uses the PF cake method or one of these variations: How do you birth your cake, dry vermiculture layer up or down?

Furthermore how do you incubate your cake, with the lid up or down?


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Re: To flip or not to flip? [Re: IGrowMushrooms]
    #759419 - 07/19/02 03:58 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

dry verm side down


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Re: To flip or not to flip? [Re: Roadkill]
    #759617 - 07/19/02 06:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Well, form what I gather the dry verm layer should be on the top in the jar of course. So wouldnt it make sense, to keep it at the top, so they keep growing the same way?


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Re: To flip or not to flip? [Re: IGrowMushrooms]
    #759655 - 07/19/02 06:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not a cake expert. I mostly do casings but always experiment with cakes.
My best cakes are birthed vermiculate side up. I don't knock off the vermiculite!!
mycelium is already running through it. I mist the vermiculite with spring water.
The best results i've ever had with cakes!! Lots of pins& nice size shrooms!! I get them growing great!! from the top and they still grow from the bottom. I've never double ended a cake (don't see the point) But if i did the original vermiculite layer would still be on top. Try this for yourself next time. I think you will really like the results.
PS. In my limited experience with cakes i'm always disapointed when i birth vermiculate side down. Yet i continue to do it because a lot of people live by it.
I must be doing something wrong.


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Re: To flip or not to flip? [Re: IGrowMushrooms]
    #759804 - 07/19/02 07:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

After several tries I've found it beat to fill a lid with damp verm
and set the cake on it with the verm from the jar on top and
damp. It really doesn't matter which side of the cake that the
shrooms grow off of as long as they grow. If they seem to
lay down rather than grow up then the light either isn't coming
from the top or there's too much light. I had this problem with
a white styrofoam cooler with too big of a window in the top.
I solved it by placing a peice of cardboard over the plexiglass
with a hole in it about the size a baseball.
Hope that helps!


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Re: To flip or not to flip? [Re: WakingUpLate]
    #759876 - 07/19/02 08:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I've never really had this problem(i don't think anyway) I think i know that it's not necessarily the direction but because maybe it's the aggressive strains i'm working with that that "protective vermiculite barrier" Is being colonized; when it's misted it becomes a kind of casing layer. Are you saying to try double ending with the original verm. layer up? Is this better?
On second thought i have had this problem with one of my terrariums Which has clear sides...I'll have to change that.


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