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OfflineMadtowntripper
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Finnegan's Wake...
    #7578551 - 10/30/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Has anyone actually read this?

What a bunch of tripe.

If this is a great work of literature, you can truss me up and put an apple in my mouth, because I'm a fucking pig.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7578592 - 10/30/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You don't get it. It's a work of genius.

Sure, you have to know old-school Irish to really grok it, but R.A. Wilson and T. McKenna explain how it's loaded with incredible puns and explanations of the Function of the Universe and the Purpose of Life.

It also has no beginning or end, but goes around in a loop, which is pretty cool, imo.


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: Middleman]
    #7578606 - 10/30/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm 99% sure that a goodly percentage of those words are just made up.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7578826 - 10/30/07 10:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. I always respected it for its ambition but really I found it pretentious and think its favor is the result of celebrity. It was Joyce's final work. Everybody wants/wanted it to be an English language masterpiece.


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7579157 - 10/31/07 12:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'll read it before I die, guarantted, but not now


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #7580292 - 10/31/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I tried to read it.

But seriously, it is just inpenetrable.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #7580429 - 10/31/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Hyper_Panda_GO said:
I'll read it before I die, guarantted, but not now



Same goes for me. Guaranteed.


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7580596 - 10/31/07 12:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

A lot of people, including friends of Joyce, believe the book is a joke, meant to bait pretentious members of the literary community into praising it as a masterpiece. I've read a few excerpts, and it looks pretty unreadable.


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7580617 - 10/31/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If you've read some of R.A.W.s comments about it in Prometheus Rising, and listened to McKennas lectures about it, you'd know that it IS a joke, but also a work of literary genius.


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7580643 - 10/31/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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WhiskeyClone said:
A lot of people, including friends of Joyce, believe the book is a joke, meant to bait pretentious members of the literary community into praising it as a masterpiece. I've read a few excerpts, and it looks pretty unreadable.




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End here. Us then. Finn, again! Take. Bussoftlhee, mememormee! Till thousandsthee. Lps. The keys to. Given! A way a lone a last a loved a long the riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.




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though a day be as dense as a decade, no mouth has the might to set a mearbound to the march of a landsmaul, in half a sylb, helf a solb, holf a salb onward the beast of boredom, common sense, lurking gyrographically down inside his loose Eating S.S. Collar is gogoing of whisth to you sternly how -- Plutonic loveliaks twinnt Platonic yearlings -- you must, how, in undivided reawlity draw the line somewhawre.




And, last but not least...

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The answer, to do all the diddies in one dedal, would sound: from pulling himself on his most flavoured canal the huge chesthouse of his elders (the Popapreta, and some navico, navvies!) he had flickered up and flinnered down into a drug and drunkery addict, growing megalomane of a loose past. This explains the litany of septuncial lettertrumpets honorific, highpitched, erudite, neoclassical, which he so loved as patricianly to manuscribe after his name. It would have diverted, if ever seen, the shuddersome spectacle of this semidemented zany amid the inspissated grime of his glaucous den making believe to read his usylessly unreadable Blue Book of Eccles, édition de ténèbres, (even yet sighs the Most Different, Dr. Poindejenk, authorised bowdler and censor, it can't be repeated!) turning over three sheets at a wind, telling himself delightedly, no espellor mor so, that every splurge on the vellum he blundered over was an aisling vision more gorgeous than the one before t.i.t.s., a roseschelle cottage by the sea for nothing for ever, a ladies tryon hosiery raffle at liberty, a sewerful of guineagold wine with brancomongepadenopie and sickcylinder oysters worth a billion a bite, an entire operahouse




Yes, it is possible to tease some meaning out of some of those sentences. But there are probably 50 pages of actual content in a 500+ page book.

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Joyce himself said;

I've put in so many enigmas and puzzles that it will keep the professors busy for centuries arguing over what I meant, and that's the only way of insuring one's immortality.




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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #7581513 - 10/31/07 04:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Hyper_Panda_GO said:
I'll read it before I die, guarantted, but not now




Take good care of yourself. I'm with Madtown. It's pretentious crap and a great grand glorious fuck you to all academic suckers who buy into it.


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7581568 - 10/31/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I just like being amused by wordplay

It's the same deal with Pynchon, I hardly udnerstand what the fuck the man is talking about but I love immersing myself in his work

Also I'll need SOMETHING to do when i retire and smoke hookah through the rest of my day


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #7581576 - 10/31/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Heh, I love how a topic about pretentious literary merit has one of my topics in the related thread box


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7581584 - 10/31/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

waste of paper, waste of time.

i once heard someone say "i just got done finishing 'finnegan's wake'".

i didnt say anything back to be nice, but wtf. you don't just pick it up and run through it like it's a fucking bukowski novel or some shit. are you kidding me?

naked lunch makes perfect fucking sense in comparison.


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: FleaAccela]
    #7581629 - 10/31/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Two things
1. Naked Lunch makes perfect sense. No qualifiers necessary
2. Pynchon writes in ENGLISH. I have no idea what language Joyce used.


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7581719 - 10/31/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Pynchon, as well as Joyce, borrows from other languages


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7581724 - 10/31/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

93
Joyce used the language of a learned guru in a hypnagogic state.
93 93/93


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #7581834 - 10/31/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Pynchon, as well as Joyce, borrows from other languages




He does?


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7581843 - 10/31/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yes

I mean he doesn't incorporate them into his writing as much as Joyce does, but he does throw around sayings, names, sentences, and letters to give the situation a more authentic feel

I really wish I could quote of the top of my head but I can't but I know I'm right


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Re: Finnegan's Wake... [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #7581932 - 10/31/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Having read almost all of Pynchon's work I must say that any comparison of gibberish to the Irish loon is not just off by degree. You can read (well I can) Pynchon without a translation.


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