if the second ones was wavy and caremel colored, it doesnt make it a psilocybe,the wavy psilocybe is a cyanescen, which stains intensely blue on the stems.so if it didnt stain, its doubtful it was a psilocybe.

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Azurescen definately knows a p.cyan when he see one. And I still disagree with my (FAR more learned than I) pal, MJ, about lib not growing in the spring.
I've got buddies who pick them consistently in the temperature-changing months between Feb March and May. - - -

As for you species, Azure, I haven't the slightest clue. I'll check out my manuals and see if MJ or Stamets has something to fit the bill.

How about this beautiful weather! I thought of you today azure - took my daughter to the WPZoo. -
Gorgeous day.

if it didnt blue,its *unlikely* its a cyan.

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Their season is from Late July, depending on the rain through january if there is no freeze or frost.

Of course you can pick them in Pune, India in May because thats their rainy season ove there and in Peru in the late June and July, but not in the Pacific Northwest.

Mattso, I have shown friends who have picked liberty caps and P. cyanescens for fifteen years, pictures of Galerina autumnalis and they told me they have eaten those so unless you have personally seeen these spring liberty caps, I have great doubts because this is impossible.

Mj and Azure, get a camera. There are no P. cyanescens in the spring and many specises have caps which become wavy, including the deadly Galerina,s and you can not say "very slight chance of bluing near base."

The mushroom is either blue or it isn't. Here you arre predicting it could be very blue at the base.

And while P. cyanescens has a wavy cap, they do not grow in Pastures,

After most of your thread you also say well that you think the first one is a Panaeolus. Well Mattso, If the first one described is a Panaeolus then it cannot be a liberty cap.\

And based on your discriptions I could not fairly say that "The second ones for sure are Psilocybes," when obviously you have not picked any psilocybes.

Have a shroomy day.

Mj

Sure, they are not at all COMMON in the spring, we're all perfectly confident in that point... I haven't ever found them myself, but Two different people I know have collected them in the Spring Months along the Oregon Coast -- on two occasions I have partaken of the freshly picked fruits myself in the month of April.

This guy posting here doesn't think he's found LIBS, I don't think, but is wondering what he HAS found.

What the hell.

I'm dying to go mushroom hunting -- You going to THAILAND this year, John?

I was wondering about the ringers. My frinend who pick a patch from March last year through christmas says they are not growing this year.

My patch also died last year.

Of course you aand I have a nice little Baeocystis spot.

If the fertilizers are not put into the lawns on a regular basis then the blue ringers disappear after a couple of years.

Also, very few pwople have found Blue ringers and fimetaria in a pasture yet that is their habitat. Of course they are a cross breed species because the Stuntzii and fimetaria also grow well in aldermulch. And yes P. cyanescens sometimes will appear on a lawn. But right nowe in Seattle the best bet is p. cyanescens ion the fall. Blue ringers seem to be more common now from Eureka to San francisco.

I though I would show you a picture from when Gartz and I found an 80 pound patch in Eugene, oregon of P. stuntzii. They were growing in the parking lot of the Bon Marche at the Valley River Shopping Center.

Also Mattso, I am still waiting for Guzman to send me the info on your shrooms from last fall. He also is suppose to be doing the taxonomy on my two new shrooms I discovered in Thailand last fall.

I hope he gets back to me real soon.

The shrooms above were only part of the pickings. We also had just as manyu papers scattered with the shrooms under the bed and Gartz' room was the same. We took this foto after arriveing at Breittenbush where both Gartz and I preesented a lecture on Shrooms.

mj

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thats a nice pic MJ,i wish i was taking pics of my shrooms a couple years ago when my stuntzii spot was still a bit unknown and supportin blueringers by the thousands.

cool, i am lookin forward to finding some info on mattsos find from last year!!

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