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The evolution of technology will lead to the Abandonment of MAD
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Mutually assured Destruction.

During the cold war, the USSR and the USA both had nukes, they both had enough to kill the other one. If either side struck first, the other would be able to return fire before being destroyed.

however, I believe that the independent advancement of individual nations military technology, will at one point leave one side with a more powerful, or effective weapon than the other side.

this will lead one side to believe that they can destroy the other side without fear of retribution. The concept of Mutually Assured Destruction will be abandoned.

This evolution can lead to one of 2 outcomes in the event of another large war, which is all but assured considering the worlds political and economical future and past.



Possibility one

2 or more nations will go to war, with one being superior to the other, and eventually creating the new millennium's Hiroshima. the un-veiling of a new super weapon that trumps all other available weapons from all other involved nations, leaving a clear victor of the battle.
However, full out nuclear release, or other all out weapons release may be a reality. This would most likely lead to a global catastrophy where 99% of people would probably die.

Possibility two

2 or more nations will go to war, with one Believing that they are superrior to the other. Their super weapon will be beaten, and the nation that thought they were the shit will be blown back to the stone age, with a new nation emerging as the leader.

either way, it will happen eventually, and when shit hits the fan, its not going to be pretty.

what sort of weapons do you think that we have developed since the A-bomb?


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Re: The evolution of technology will lead to the Abandonment of MAD [Re: ZippoZ]
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it would be good if there was a weapon that could simultaneously counteract the nuclear fallout while destroying whoever used a nuclear bomb.


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Re: The evolution of technology will lead to the Abandonment of MAD [Re: ZippoZ]
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Capatalistc nomad said:
Mutually assured Destruction.

During the cold war, the USSR and the USA both had nukes, they both had enough to kill the other one. If either side struck first, the other would be able to return fire before being destroyed.

however, I believe that the independent advancement of individual nations military technology, will at one point leave one side with a more powerful, or effective weapon than the other side.

this will lead one side to believe that they can destroy the other side without fear of retribution. The concept of Mutually Assured Destruction will be abandoned.

This evolution can lead to one of 2 outcomes in the event of another large war, which is all but assured considering the worlds political and economical future and past.



Possibility one

2 or more nations will go to war, with one being superior to the other, and eventually creating the new millennium's Hiroshima. the un-veiling of a new super weapon that trumps all other available weapons from all other involved nations, leaving a clear victor of the battle.
However, full out nuclear release, or other all out weapons release may be a reality. This would most likely lead to a global catastrophy where 99% of people would probably die.

Possibility two

2 or more nations will go to war, with one Believing that they are superrior to the other. Their super weapon will be beaten, and the nation that thought they were the shit will be blown back to the stone age, with a new nation emerging as the leader.

either way, it will happen eventually, and when shit hits the fan, its not going to be pretty.

what sort of weapons do you think that we have developed since the A-bomb?


what about bio weapons? have you considered those?


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Re: The evolution of technology will lead to the Abandonment of MAD [Re: Syle]
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the situation is the same, regardless of what type of weapons are advanced.

all that matters is there awesome power, and their percieved abilities


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: The evolution of technology will lead to the Abandonment of MAD [Re: ZippoZ]
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however, I believe that the independent advancement of individual nations military technology, will at one point leave one side with a more powerful, or effective weapon than the other side.

this will lead one side to believe that they can destroy the other side without fear of retribution.

Could you elaborate on how this is possible? You must be talking about force fields or something very far off. No matter how advanced a nation gets, there will still be a half dozen other nations with old fashioned ICBMs that can kill everybody...

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Re: The evolution of technology will lead to the Abandonment of MAD [Re: DieCommie]
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well we've allready got stealth bombers. Is it so far a stretch to think we could develop stealth missles? Maybe nuc/warhead carrying weapons that can't be detected via existing technology while en route. Presuming our intelligence is good enough we can strike the enemies' sites and they will not be able to retaliate by the time they know what happened.

And its my understanding that modern hydrogen bombs have a much smaller amount of fallout- which is primarily a function of the size of the fission component of the bomb's yield. W/ smaller bombs, there's less need for more fission yield.

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Re: The evolution of technology will lead to the Abandonment of MAD [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
well we've allready got stealth bombers. Is it so far a stretch to think we could develop stealth missles? Maybe nuc/warhead carrying weapons that can't be detected via existing technology while en route. Presuming our intelligence is good enough we can strike the enemies' sites and they will not be able to retaliate by the time they know what happened.

And its my understanding that modern hydrogen bombs have a much smaller amount of fallout- which is primarily a function of the size of the fission component of the bomb's yield. W/ smaller bombs, there's less need for more fission yield.


this is exactly the type of thinking that will allow us to abandon MAD, and ultimately get ourselves fucked over by somthing we did not see comming.........

for shame


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: The evolution of technology will lead to the Abandonment of MAD [Re: ZippoZ]
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better us than them!

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Re: The evolution of technology will lead to the Abandonment of MAD [Re: ZippoZ]
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A potential new super weapon would be the Hafnium bomb.

Basically its a substance that if rubbed the wrong way explodes 50.000 times more violently than a chemical explosive, and does so in a burst of lethal gamma radiation but no radioactive isotopes are formed: there is no fallout.

The only problems left (if they are still problems) is to synth or isolate the stuff and then weaponize it.

The Hafnium bomb (or a similar matastable isotope) can completely transform the battlefield as we know it.

You could invent a rifle cartridge that fits in the M16, that on impact would explode with the force of a battleship cannon shell, completely destroying the most modern tank or a small bunker.

A warhead the size of a beercan could be more explosive than a MOAB, the biggest bomb ever made, and inbetween that and a small nuke.

One stealth bomber could be loaded with as much destructive force as 50.000 stealth bombers can carry of normal bombs: 40 times the explosive force of the Hiroshima bomb.

The Hafnium bomb may make micro-nukes a reality, devices as small as a pack of cigarettes which you set with a timer to go off with a force that could completely flatten nine blocks and create great destruction in the surrounding area.


Another similar risk is that we can get fissionless fusion to work, a kind of atomic bomb that needs no uranium or plutonium, just a substance thats present in water.


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Re: The evolution of technology will lead to the Abandonment of MAD [Re: ZippoZ]
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The only way any of this would prevent MAD is if you could wipe out nearly the entire enemy county in one hit, as well as any of their allies who might retaliate. I think accomplishing this would be harder than any technology needed.

Then you need to consider the environmental impacts, because if you destroy your own country due to fallout then MAD is preserved. It would be really hard to take out a country and all their allies (which would be a sizable portion of land on the earth) and somehow prevent environmental catastrophe at home.

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Re: The evolution of technology will lead to the Abandonment of MAD [Re: DieCommie]
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Biological weapons are scary shit, small pox for example..against the un-immunized individuals of today, could cripple society, eliminating the new generations..although the virus was contained its really easy to synthesize...so yea...infantry and such will be next to obs elite eventually in my belief...the war we will be fighting is one you can not see.

Also - if there is a war after that It wouldn't surprise me were it to be fought with sticks and stones.

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Re: The evolution of technology will lead to the Abandonment of MAD [Re: Dude96]
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That's quite the bump, but its an interesting topic so I'll help this zombie thread along.

Scary Things Come in Small Packages

^Washington Post article on hafnium bomb research. I cannot believe people still work on this shit after Oppenheimer and co. What possible good could come of such a device? Just fucking stunning. Fortunately the general consensus seems to be that its not possible to do.

As for MAD, I'd be interested in reading some solid analysis of the current state of arsenals and the role of MAD in the 21st century. I've been reading a few since hitting this thread, but nothing really post worthy.

Also, I cannot fathom the effects of an entire generation having to live under something like that. I was just reading a book at this old used bookstore on the subject, and the APA did a survey where something like 85% of students did not expect to live to adulthood or have children. Just cannot imagine...


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