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DMT extraction question URGENT
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Okay, if a friend is going to do the extraction...would he be able to mix the lye and bark powder together right now and let it sit over night, then do the naptha in the morning?

He really appreciates your help!


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Chazzersize]
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he would want to mix the bark powder in water and add a water/lye solution to it. not just lye to bark powder. if it is powder, he can add the naphtha after a half hour. the extra time is just to penetrate chunks of bark, not necessary if one is using powder.

i hope he succeeds!


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: chubbycharley]
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Thats what I meant chubby!

He will be adding the water/lye solution to the bark powder in a glass bowl overnight.

Will this be fine? I would think it would lead to a bigger yield for him on the first pull.

What do you think?


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Chazzersize]
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Why are you adding lye to rootbark? You realize that rootbark contains alkaloids right, not salts? Adding a base wouldnt really do anything...

If you wanted to extract the good stuff from the bark into any solution you would just have to add naphtha or an acidic aqueous solution. Starting with naphtha may pull out to0 much extra plant junk, seems like the acid solution is the way to go.

Starting with a lye solution just makes no sense whatsoever.


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Acyl]
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Acyl said:
Why are you adding lye to rootbark? You realize that rootbark contains alkaloids right, not salts? Adding a base wouldnt really do anything...

If you wanted to extract the good stuff from the bark into any solution you would just have to add naphtha or an acidic aqueous solution. Starting with naphtha may pull out to0 much extra plant junk, seems like the acid solution is the way to go.

Starting with a lye solution just makes no sense whatsoever.


You obviously dont know what the hell you're talking about.

But thanks for the input.


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Chazzersize]
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Can you explain to me why adding lye to rootbark will help extract alkaloids then?

If anything is extracted in that first step, its because of the solubility of the DMT in water, not an alkaline solution.


An alkaloid is a neutral nitrogen substance.. the "freebase" form of a nitrogen molecule. Freebase forms are soluble in organic phases.. they arent charged species, its not as soluble in water.

If you add acid to an alkaloid it will protonate the nitrogen and create a nitrogen salt. This is a charged species, charged species as small as DMT salts arew very soluble in water.

THX though.




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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Acyl]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=1&Number=6931010&page=0&fpart=1

I think you misread my posts...


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Chazzersize]
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I meant to respond to chubbeys post.

Could you please elaborate on how a nitrogen base is more soluble in an aqueous solution than a nitrogen salt? Its not logical, it makes no sense.


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Acyl]
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Acyl said:Could you please elaborate on how a nitrogen base is more soluble in an aqueous solution than a nitrogen salt? Its not logical, it makes no sense.


Here you go professor

Can someone answer my question?

I hope you know that he just wasnt talking about lye and water. The use of naptha was already known by chubby and I. Jesus.



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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Chazzersize]
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You realize thats a tek someone posted right? Id hardly call that a source. Whatever DMT is being pulled out of the rootbark with the alkaline solution is due to the solubility of the alkaloid in water, not the basic solution.

You are only following things you've read on the internet.. It seems very obvious that you have no idea why anything would be working.

Please, logic.. not some internet tek.

If you want to have an "internet tek" battle, http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/extraction_guide1/dmt_extraction_guide1.shtml



Also

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Extraction of serotonin, bufotemin, 5-methoxytryptamine, and 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine and their fluorometric determination with o-phthaldialdehyde

[EXTRAKTION VON SEROTONIN, BUFOTENIN, 5-METHOXYTRYPTAMIN UND 5-METHOXY-N,N-DIMETHYLTRYPTAMIN UND IHRE FLUORIMETRISCHE BESTIMMUNG MIT O-PHTHALDIALDEHYD]

Kitzrow, W.Show author details, Franke, L.Show author details, Uebelhack, R.Show author details, Seidel, K.Show author details Correspondence address

Nervenklin., Ber. Med., Humboldt-Univ., 1040 Berlin, Germany

Abstract

For the investigated indolamines, the recovery following extraction with n-butanol and acetic acid ethyl ester from alkaline solution amounted to 80-90%. Using benzene only the two 5-methoxyindolamines were transferred from the alkaline medium into the organic phase. The reaction of the o-phthaldialdehyde with substituted indolamines was optimized in regard to higher fluorimetric detection sensitivity. The lower limit of determination ws 2.0 ng for 5HT and 5OHDMT, and 1.0 ng for 5 MeOT and 5MeODMT.



There is no e-text full copy for it, but I think the abstract tells all... hmm..


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Acyl]
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Well, this..

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he would want to mix the bark powder in water and add a water/lye solution to it. not just lye to bark powder. if it is powder, he can add the naphtha after a half hour. the extra time is just to penetrate chunks of bark, not necessary if one is using powder.


Along with your post..

Made it seem like you were just adding lye/water to rootbark.


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Acyl]
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Yeah...my intent is to not have my friend study how it works. Only to get what he came for!

Silly rabbit.




Yeah...the use of naptha was implied.


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Edited by Chazzersize (06/26/07 12:46 AM)

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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Chazzersize]
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Although that tek will probably yield DMT, it is not anywhere near the most efficient.

From the Merck Index... for DMT alkaloid

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Properties: Crystals, mp 44.6-46.8°; also reported as plates from ethanol and light petroleum, mp 46° (Fleming, Woolias). bp 60-80°. pKa 8.68 (ethanol-water). Freely sol in dil acetic and dil mineral acids.
Melting point: mp 44.6-46.8°; mp 46° (Fleming, Woolias)



You should start out with either just a naphtha solution or an acidic aqueous solution.. the aqueous probably being the better route.


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Acyl]
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I appreciate your insight. My intentions and responses were never meant to be hostile. My friend is just freaking out calling me every few minutes asking if he can start it right now or wait til daylight.

I appreciate the help though. Honestly, this kid is better off sticking to the tek. He's studied it for a week now and has it down. I think he's just nervous about his first time.

:smile:


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Chazzersize]
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I was only trying to let you in on what ive spent money on to learn at school.


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Acyl]
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i miss the hive:confused:

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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Acyl]
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Acyl said:
I was only trying to let you in on what ive spent money on to learn at school.


And I thanked you for that. But there's always more than one way to do it. Even if it is not the BEST way, it will surely get him what he is desiring.

There is little room for him to fuck up with the tek I mentioned earlier and it's a sure fire way.

I applaud you on your chem knowledge. I could've used you a few months ago for one of my finals! :hippie:


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Chazzersize]
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:mushroom2:

Make sure he shares :smirk:


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Acyl]
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You bet your ass he will.

Although I was an ass to you earlier, five shrooms to you and your wealth of knowledge on the subject of chemistry.

You should put what you told me to use in the Tek thread. Im sure you could add something to it that would help to get a cleaner final product more efficiently.

Wish him luck :sun:

It might be a dumb question...but if he were to use a glass bowl, it would be perfectly suitable...right? I think the only material NOT to use is plastic,wood or aluminum.


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Re: DMT extraction question URGENT [Re: Chazzersize]
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No need to wait overnight for any reason. Water + lye. Add to bark. Shake like mad. 10 minutes, 15, an hour if you really want. Add the naptha. Shake the bejesus out of it. Wait for layers to seperate. Remove, repeat.


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