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Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory
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Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory
Even low doses of Ecstasy may be associated with a decline in language-related memory, according to a report in the June issue of Archives of General Psychiatry, one of the JAMA/Archives journals.

Ecstasy is an illicit recreational drug popular among young people, according to background information in the article. Research in both humans and animals suggests that the drug can harm the brain. Ecstasy may damage nerve cells that respond to the hormone serotonin, which is involved in mood, thinking, learning and memory.

Thelma Schilt, M.Sc., of the Academic Medical Center of the University of Amsterdam, the Netherlands, and colleagues recruited 188 volunteers (average age 22) who had not used Ecstasy but reported that they were likely to try it soon. Within three years of the initial evaluations, which took place between April 2002 and April 2004, 58 individuals began using Ecstasy.

They were compared with 60 individuals who had the same age, sex and intelligence score but who did not use Ecstasy during the follow-up period. All participants took tests that assessed various types of memory--including attention, verbal memory for words and language, and visual memory for images--at the beginning and end of the study. Verbal memory was tested by memorizing a series of 15 words and repeating them immediately and again 20 minutes later.

"At the initial examination, there were no statistically significant differences in any of the neuropsychological test scores between persistent Ecstasy-naïve subjects and future Ecstasy users," the authors write. "However, at follow-up, change scores on immediate and delayed verbal recall and verbal recognition were significantly lower in the group of incident Ecstasy users compared with persistent Ecstasy-naïve subjects. There were no significant differences on other test scores."

In contrast to other studies, which have suggested that Ecstasy affects women more than men, there was no difference in the drug's effect between the sexes. Overall, test scores remained within the normal range for the general population.

The fact that Ecstasy appeared to affect only verbal memory points to specific brain areas and chemicals that may be affected by the drug, the authors note. "The main underlying factor seems to be a depletion of serotonin in Ecstasy users, a depletion that might be reversible," they write. "Serotonin is involved in several cognitive functions but might be especially relevant to learning and memory."

"In conclusion, our data indicate that low doses of Ecstasy are associated with decreased verbal memory function, which is suggestive for Ecstasy-induced neurotoxicity," the authors conclude. "Further research on the long-term effects of Ecstasy as well as on the possibility of additive effects of Ecstasy use on aging of the brain is needed."

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Re: Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory [Re: mystery]
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Unfortunally, I definetely agree with this.


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Re: Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory [Re: ilus]
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Hmm where the studies done on pure mdma or the numerous other drugs the pills ussually contain. I suspect that mdma may not be the drug causing these findings.


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Re: Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory [Re: Montanahunter420]
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How long was the follow up after using mdma?

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Re: Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory [Re: flibius]
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Doesn't E have some pretty vicious long term effects? I've heard it punches holes in your brain. Not immediately, but if you are a chronic user after 40 years or so you might be regretting it.

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Re: Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory [Re: Montanahunter420]
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jeverden said:
Hmm where the studies done on pure mdma or the numerous other drugs the pills ussually contain. I suspect that mdma may not be the drug causing these findings.



Agreed, this isn't a accurate study. They chose people that wanted to try ecstasy, what else did they want to try? Because most people on that list I bet are the usual club going ravers. When was the last time you have been to a MDMA only rave?

I said the study isn't accurate, but I bet it has truth to it to.


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Re: Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory [Re: DebuteMachine]
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DebuteMachine said:
Doesn't E have some pretty vicious long term effects? I've heard it punches holes in your brain. Not immediately, but if you are a chronic user after 40 years or so you might be regretting it.



http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/02/science/02ECST.html?ex=1385701200&en=75cbca6340c474c3&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND the article is about the study all those claims are based on.

But if you are a chronic user of aything for 40 years I bet you would regret it.


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Re: Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory *DELETED* [Re: Stonerguy]
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Post deleted by jeverden

Reason for deletion: Kk


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Re: Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory [Re: Montanahunter420]
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i think its funny ilegal drugs all cause brain damage but prescription drugs dont.

lets do a study on how dumb people get from taking prescriptions such as ant depressants, viagra, and ADD medications.

lets do that.

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Re: Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory [Re: ilus]
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illustrain said:
Unfortunally, I definetely agree with this.



Yep, I've experienced this first hand.


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Re: Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory [Re: Revelation]
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This was a prospective study (and part of a much larger study that keeps popping up in the mainstream news).

Basically they had a group of 188 people that had never used ecstasy. All of these users had similar patterns of prexisting drug use. They tested these participants on a series of cognitive measures BEFORE they ever used ecstasy, and then again AFTER.

Since their drug use was matched, the only difference between before and after was the use of ecstasy. Certainly one could argue about the purity of the ecstasy, but then again, you could argue it was more representative of "real-world" conditions.


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Re: Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory [Re: ilus]
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illustrain said:
Unfortunally, I definetely agree with this.



A verbal study conducted on a sample size of 60... I'm not sure I'd conclude ecstacy causes neurological consequences from such a test...

(and what are the controls- had some of the subjects used the night before? days prior?)


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Re: Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory [Re: DebuteMachine]
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DebuteMachine said:
Doesn't E have some pretty vicious long term effects? I've heard it punches holes in your brain.



I heard LSD drains your spinal fluid and mushrooms make your brain bleed!!!

(thank you DEA...)


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Re: Low Doses Of Ecstasy Associated With Decline In Verbal Memory [Re: ExplosiveMango]
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This critique of a study on ecstasy users and cognitive function highlights several issues with the research. The study found that non-users performed better on verbal memory tasks post-ecstasy use, but the researchers did not account for this adequately. Problems include inappropriate analysis methods, retaining outliers, overstating conclusions, and potential confounding factors like substance use and self-reported histories. The study's findings suggest that low ecstasy doses may affect verbal memory, but the researchers' interpretation is overstated. The study's results do not support claims that ecstasy impairs verbal memory in casual users.

Here is a MAPS critique on this finding.

Report on Third Prospective Study of Ecstasy Users: Examining Attention and Memory
Critique and Reservations
Ilsa Jerome Ph.D. * June 2007
The Archives of General Psychiatry has just published the latest in a series of reports from the Netherlands XTC Toxicity (or NeXT) research team comparing cognitive function in ecstasy users and non-ecstasy using controls before and after they used ecstasy. The study is the third prospective study from this team, but it is the first to examine attention and memory beyond assessing working memory. In contrast with earlier publications, this report describes finding differences between the two groups, with ecstasy-nave controls performing better verbal memory tasks at follow-up than ecstasy users.

While these findings are notable as the first from a prospective study, there are problems in the analysis and presentation of the data that raise questions about the meaning and significance of study results. Perhaps the greatest problem with the findings relates to whether the researchers performed appropriate analyses for the comparisons they wished to make. However, other issues include retaining apparent outliers in the data, interpretation of results and overstating the significance of their conclusions.

The researchers began the study by recruiting people who planned on using ecstasy in the future, giving them tests of attention, verbal and visual memory before any of them had used any ecstasy. Up to three years after the first time, at a point when a number of people had started using ecstasy, the researchers gave participants the same tests of attention and memory. These participants included 59 people who said they had started using ecstasy and 61 who said they had not used it yet, with the controls matched on the basis of age and estimated verbal IQ. The ecstasy users reported taking an average of 3.2 tablets (range = 0.5-30 tablets, median = 1.5 tablets). Both groups performed similarly on these tests prior to anyone using ecstasy. The researchers subtracted the first score from the second score and compare the resulting change scores, finding that in most cases, ecstasy users and people who had not used ecstasy performed similarly on tests of attention and memory. However, non-ecstasy users had higher change scores on immediate and delayed recall on a list-learning task. Cumulative ecstasy dose, but not duration of use, was associated with differences in delayed recall and recognition of word lists. The researchers also found that past cocaine and amphetamine use was associated with differences in delayed list recall. After controlling for amphetamine and cocaine use, the researchers still found an association between cumulative ecstasy dose and recognition, but not delayed recall. The researchers interpreted their findings as indicating that even a relatively low dose of ecstasy can affect verbal memory.

Before going any further into these findings, it should be noted that everyone in this study attained scores within the normal range, and that in this case, relatively low use includes using 30 tablets. This being the case, the findings do not support claims that one or two doses of ecstasy impair verbal memory.

However, there are a number of reasons for not accepting the results at face value.

First of all, despite referring to detecting a decline in verbal memory, the researchers did not perform analyses comparing memory and attention before and after ecstasy use for each group as well as differences in performance over time in each group. Using change scores instead of raw scores creates a situation where improvement and impairment can look the same. And this is in fact what happened in the study; ecstasy user scores before and after their starting ecstasy use were for the most part similar. In some cases they were lower, and in others, they were higher. People who had not used ecstasy had higher verbal memory performance scores when tested again while ecstasy users scores were either the same or only slightly lower.

In an earlier report, the same team of researchers excluded a participant who had used 20 tablets from their prospective study of changes in brain activity during a working memory task (Jager et al. 2007). In that study, the researchers performed analyses with and without that participant, finding marginal effects when they included this person. Thus it is surprising that the researchers did not apply the same restrictions in this study or compare analyses with and without people who used 20 or more tablets. It is possible that removing people reporting use of 20 or more ecstasy tablets from the sample would not have found significant differences in verbal memory change scores. The researchers do not even state how many people reported used greater than ten tablets, despite using this amount as a limit in earlier studies.

The authors already address some of the other confounds and problems in their study in the Discussion section, even acknowledging that ecstasy users still reported greater use of other substances and noting that medical and neuropsychiatric history were determined on the basis of self-report only. It also remains unclear as to the degree that people who used ecstasy were unintentionally exposed to amphetamine or methamphetamine sold either alone or along with MDMA as ecstasy. The authors note that previous studies have failed to find any changes in verbal memory in low to moderate users, attributing the failure to those studies having smaller sample sizes. However, this explanation does not address studies that failed to find any effects of ecstasy use on memory, even when other effects were found (for instance Simon and Mattick. 2002; Halpern et al. 2004). They note that providing all participants with information on the risks of ecstasy may have created a self-fulfilling prophecy wherein ecstasy users did less well because of worries that they might confirm stereotypes about ecstasy users (Cole et al. 2006), but dismiss this possibility by stating that they did not see the effect in the whole sample. However, as only those who knew they had started using ecstasy would be vulnerable to the effects of stereotype threat, it remains possible that non-users performed better because they were not worried that they would do badly.

However, above and beyond the issues described above, the authors overstate and even misrepresent what their findings mean. As already noted, they describe significant differences in change scores as a decline in ecstasy users verbal memory throughout much of the paper, though at the beginning of the discussion they acknowledge that what they found was improvement in non-ecstasy users verbal memory. They suggest that the main underlying factor for their findings must be serotonin depletion in ecstasy users, yet when taken together, previous studies do not support a relationship between changes in the serotonin systems and impaired cognitive function in ecstasy users (Cowan 2006). Previous prospective reports from the same team and using a similar (but apparently not identical) sample failed to find signs of neuronal injury or damage or changes in brain activity or changes in task performance on a working memory task (de Win et al. 2006). This research team has even presented data indicating that low dose ecstasy had no effects on estimated numbers of serotonin uptake sites. It is notable that a recent study of the effects of the selective serotonin uptake inhibitor (SSRI) escitalopram alone or combined with a 5HT1A antagonist (pindolol) or a 5HT2A antagonist (ketanserin) in healthy drug-nave people found that the SSRI alone impaired verbal memory in health participants, and that the 5HT1A antagonist caused a further decline (Wingen et al. 2006). If these results are confirmed in other studies, it suggests that even when it is seen, impaired verbal memory in ecstasy users need not be the result of serotonin neurotoxicity but may occur as a result of downregulation of specific serotonin receptors. Finally, while ecstasy users in this reported considerably lower lifetime ecstasy use than seen in retrospective or longitudinal reports of ecstasy users, the inclusion of at least one person reporting use of 30 tablets means that the data man not represent the effects of low lifetime ecstasy use.


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