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 sBUD
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 casing semi-colonized cakes... 
#701776 - 06/25/02 07:37 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Say u cased some cakes that were semi colonized..like 70-90% covered wit myc., would u still be able to get mature shrooms from that? Better yet, will that myc poke thru the casing layer? I mistakently put a 3/4" verm casing layer on top (which'll mean it SHOULD take a lil longer than normal but i jus wanna know if u got MOSTLY myc in ya jarz and it aint completely colie..will it still work.
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Re: casing semi-colonized cakes... [Re: sBUD]
#701802 - 06/25/02 07:46 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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i would wait another week for it to finish colonizing, but if u really cant wait, then cut off the parts that arent done, then put those into the fruiting chamber.  if u just use it as is, then u are more than likely gonna get contaminates. 
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Edited by MushroomBoy123 (06/25/02 07:47 PM)
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bassplayer74
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Re: casing semi-colonized cakes... [Re: sBUD]
#702407 - 06/26/02 06:28 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes...if you exposed any part of the uncolonized cakes it will contaminate for sure. You will get mold and other junk under your casing most likely.  
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sBUD
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Re: casing semi-colonized cakes... [Re: bassplayer74]
#702757 - 06/26/02 08:24 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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HummmM,
i awready cased dem but it wasnt the way u guyz described it..it wasnt like the bottom half or a certain area was uncolonized. Heres waht happen.
The sides colonized and the bottom part didnt. So i loosened the lid, flip dem and gave dem another 10dayz to finish.
Then i broke dem up and cased about 3 cakes but when i broke dem into pieces i could see some myc network intertwined inside BUT they didnt (IMO) look completely colonized>>they jus didnt have that "look" like the outsides had. But i went ahead wit it anywayz and now waiting for like 4 dayz i still dont see any myc poking thru...
So heres my next quest>>> is there ANYTHING i can do . (maybe open the saran wrap a lil for air exchange,
or poke some holes on top wit a skewer to help the myc get thru...or scrape the top wit a fork...or increase the temp in the incubator...
or scrape off a bit off the top casing layer because i made it 3/4" thick (by mistake)...or jus continue to wait another week???
Now u guyz say that if I xpose any part of the uncolonized cake , that it WILL f'sure contaminate and i will get mold under the casing.
How do i know that aint wahts happening now . Is there a way to check and find out? I guess im hoping to get some
visible signs that tells me this. Maybe i should take a whiff?
Concerned ME
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bassplayer74
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Re: casing semi-colonized cakes... [Re: sBUD]
#702797 - 06/26/02 08:43 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can almost guarantee that it will and prolly already has contaminated...sorry....you just cannot birth a cake before its done and break it apart for a casing. ANY uncolonized part of the cake will contaminate for sure!
The only way to know for sure is to wait for the contams to show...or take a tiny tiny whiff along your casing...sour smell = bad...but its prolly safer just to wait than smell it...if its like you said though youre almost 100% sure of having contams.
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sBUD
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 Re: casing semi-colonized cakes... [Re: bassplayer74]
#703808 - 06/26/02 07:32 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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thx bass but im hoping ur wrong!
Now waht am i looking for in terms of a contam in a casing>>>the same u would find in a contam jar (green mold) and when do u think the contam will show (been 5dayz since it was cased)
Gr8 i jus wasted 3 jarz....does this also apply when u birth dem as cakes??>>cannot birth a cake that is not 100% colonized...or can we get away wit this>?
oh Well
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Re: casing semi-colonized cakes... [Re: sBUD]
#703968 - 06/26/02 08:32 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Listen to bassplayer. And alot of other people around here. The shrewmen's first few cakes were contaminated, possibly because they were birthed as soon as the outside was colonized. Pins developed, but all aborted. The cakes were dissected, and found to be entirely green on the inside. Be verry, verry, carreful.
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Re: casing semi-colonized cakes... [Re: sBUD]
#703971 - 06/26/02 08:32 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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you want the cakes to be fully colonized on the outside.....at least.
we tell people to wait a week after it is fully colonized on the outside.....cause the inside might not be fully colonized.
If you birth a cake too early.....you will get contams.
If you cut off the uncolonized parts of a cake......you might get by.
patience is the name of this hobby!
good luck!
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 Re: casing semi-colonized cakes... [Re: bassplayer74]
#704210 - 06/26/02 09:50 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Both times I spawned straw and cased, the BRF/verm cakes were not quite colonized on the very inside. Both of them had 4 sucsessful flushes.....
Guess I got lucky.
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sBUD
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Re: casing semi-colonized cakes... [Re: badjessejames]
#706776 - 06/27/02 09:30 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im kinda hoping for some of that luck badjess =D
Bass, when i checked on my casing today i saw a lil spot wit some myc on top but not a heavy myc presence, was sorta lite like cobwe\bs or hair rolled into a ball. And after very carefully checking all around i also notice another lil spot that has myc jus underneath that looks like its ready to sprout thru and out! Im hoping to get some pics to show u all.. the casing and these lil areas and maybe u guyz can tell me whether it has a potential to contam or will case nicely!
shrewmen, when i broke dem cakes up there were no green mold anywhere or any dark discoloration for that matter...but at the same time they didnt XACTLY have that white fuzz as the outside did. but tell me waht ya think of the casing and that one spot that poked thru when i get dem pics up and out.
Thx all
piEcE
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bassplayer74
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Re: casing semi-colonized cakes... [Re: sBUD]
#707286 - 06/28/02 06:53 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inside of cakes dont really get fuzzy...are you positive that there was some uncolonized cake?
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Champion des Champignons
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Re: casing semi-colonized cakes... [Re: sBUD]
#707464 - 06/28/02 08:24 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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wy duz u tok like dat?
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sBUD
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Re: casing semi-colonized cakes... [Re: bassplayer74]
#707730 - 06/28/02 10:37 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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"are u positive there was some uncolonized cake??"
>> I guess it's how one interperets it huh? But to me, since im a newbie, i was xpecting the inside to be as white as the outside
and anything else would be considered uncolonized. When i crumbled dem they were quite dry inside so there was none of this
raw substrate look and mushy feel to it...but like i said they did not look completely white like some
other pics i have seen when they crumbled it. Butthe fact that i got myc pokin thru n one spot, aint that a good
indication that things r goin well and that it was colonized enuff?
Also waht could happen if the casing is too dry? I dont really wanna mist it now and risk opening the lid and allowing
for air circulation. I was told that the stale air only helps the myc and that air xchange will cause it to pin
and fruit. which is not waht i want now =[
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Re: casing semi-colonized cakes... [Re: sBUD]
#711107 - 06/29/02 12:45 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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AF birthed 5 cakes that werent fully colonized yet two days ago.....today he went to look at them and they were full of pure white fluffy myco over 75 percent of the trays..he cased them today with jiffy mix...im just wondering if he should have sterilized the mix. he did originally try this in the micro wave but started a fire..so in haste(and because the sea of shrooms tek doesnt mention sterliztion at all) he cased and misted....would misting with bleach at this point help ward of contams??
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