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amanita muscaria
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just curious if anybody has found these in texas also do they grow everywhere out here .also anyone that has ate these feed back on the trip wold be nice.thank you

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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: troy111]
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Personally, i would never do a muscaria, the active ingredient is different muscimol, which apparently is very similar psilocybin - but muscimol is formed when ibotenic acid is dried. IE when you dry the mushroom the chemical transformation !MAY! occur - in its raw form ibotenic acid is incredibly toxic, it can cause brain hemorrhages and is known to induce the growth of an extremely rare and hard to cure brain tumor.

Your brain man, but i like mine as it is..


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: scruffymafia]
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This guy says otherwise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar2VfSUWUmw

And i have never heard of muscaria causing brain tumors.
Do you have any links to prove these claims?

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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: scruffymafia]
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scruffymafia said:
Personally, i would never do a muscaria, the active ingredient is different muscimol, which apparently is very similar psilocybin - but muscimol is formed when ibotenic acid is dried. IE when you dry the mushroom the chemical transformation !MAY! occur - in its raw form ibotenic acid is incredibly toxic, it can cause brain hemorrhages and is known to induce the growth of an extremely rare and hard to cure brain tumor.

Your brain man, but i like mine as it is..


I dont mean to offend you scruffymafia but this information is false and should be disregarded by readers.

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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: Sir_Jeans]
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Lol you believe that guy, he has a few facts but "too much oxygen can cause you to.. ahh... hyperventilate.. and.. like die.." He is obviously drug fucked, which is an under-statement.

Well one of my good friends who is a chemical engineer and loves his mushies told me of the study he did at university on ibotenic acid, he found out what they really do to you and is sticking to psilocybes. If you doubt me just look for your self.

http://www.answers.com/topic/ibotenic-acid
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O87-ibotenicacid.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibotenic_acid

I remember seeing the medical journal on the effects of ibotenic acid on rats, most of them became extremely paranoid and suffered brain damage.


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: scruffymafia]
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interesting read

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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: SheerTerror]
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I have sampled Muscaria in Oz and all I can really say is I feel asleep during the high :frown:
Otherwise no real problems


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: scruffymafia]
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It is true that in medical studies, very high doses of ibotenic acid is injected directly into mouse brains to mimic certain human brain lesions. This probably has no comparison to humans ingesting lower amounts of ibotenic acid. Also, nowhere in your sources does it mention a rare brain tumor (not to mention that all of those sources are the same). And extremely paranoid rats?

And muscimol and psilocybin are not alike chemically or pharmacologically. Please disregard scruffymafia's claims people.

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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: xmush]
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This is bad news for me as my preffered method of amanita consumpption is to make an extract and inject it directly into my cranium. Joking, I've done amanitas a few time with no ill effects at all, I'm considering even trying an amanita+psilocybin trip

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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: hooksbooks]
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HEY HOOKSBROOKS DO NOT DO IT!!!!

I CAN NOT STRESS ENOUGH DO NOT MIX THOSE TWO MUSHROOMS.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4907996#4907996

This was a difficult experience for me. The read is kinda incoherent because I was paniced and blown off my gaurd on pan subbs.

He had been picking his own amantis for several months and saving them. He was baking them in the oven at 200 degrees I believe to dry them. One weekend he ate 10 grams of amantis and 2 grams of pan subbs and said it was the most visual intense thing he has ever done.

So next weekend he ate 14 grams amanatis with 2.5 grams pan subbs in lemon juice.

Things were fine for an hour or so then he told me to flick on the lights. The second I did his eyes rolled into the back of his head and he started convulsing while puke rolled out of his nose and mouth. He hit the floor doing this and I dragged him into the bathroom and sat him upright over the toilet and he came to and started throwing it all up.

5 minutes later he started convulsing and puking again. I'm not talking about OBE here either, I'm talking about life threatening body spasms with vomit while his eyes were in the back of his head. He could have choked or died. When he came too he had no recollection of where he was or what was going on.

He went to the hospital and they gave him charcoal from what I remember and not much else was done. He survived but didnt have the cash to get his head examined. So who knows he may have some serious damage from that experiment.

Edited by vandago (06/07/07 04:02 PM)

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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: vandago]
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Damn vandigo, thats a good example of a trip gone bad man. yeah too much psilocybin can cause an adverse physical reaction to bright lights and movement - the added muscimol wouldnt have helped.

xmush - i am giving a factual warning to those who wish to try muscaria, if you want to become substantially moronic than you have already proven go ahead, but telling people to disregard facts is not your place to stand. I highly suggest you click on the 'brain lesioning' link on the wiki page i provided.

Grow up man.


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: scruffymafia]
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Didn’t Bob Marley develop large breasts from smoking too much marijuana?

georgeM

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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: scruffymafia]
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I did click on that link. It's a bad link and clearly a mistake- multiple myeloma and ibotenic acid are completely unrelated. Brain lesioning is a generic term which I suggest you look up in a more authoratative source than wikipedia. I'm not disregarding facts, but merely trying to clear up your confused interpretation of them that you are trying to impose on others in this thread. If you want to argue about the interpretation of medical data, I'm happy to oblige -- it's what I do for a living. I have 2 doctorates in the field and am payed handsomely by a major university to do just that.

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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: xmush]
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Maybe i am just basing my drive on a personal experience with a muscaria user. One of the guys i went to school with lost his dad to OD on 'big reds' as he called them. He had thousands growing around camper van on the land he had 'borrowed' off the council. Lol, i just dont wish to be anything like that guy.

It may be personal, but i wouldnt recommend any kind of drugs to anyone. Its something they need to do with their own drive and the facts. Muscaria just has too much record to me to feel safe taking it.

Basically i judge a mushies relative safeness by its size, complexity and whether it has signs of bugs eating it. BIG = Is not set back by bugs, wild animals eating it, BUGS eating it = If they can eat that then its more likely i can. Psilocybe fit well into this, but musc's are huge and un-touched by bugs which makes me really wonder.


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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: scruffymafia]
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Judging mushroom safety by whether bugs eat it will get you killed. I've often seen bugs enjoying a meal of Amanita phalloides and Galerinas. Insects are unfazed by a lot of toxins that would drop us in a minute. Also, I think most of us who have found A. muscaria have noticed bugs eating them, especially the stems which are often quite bug-ridden.

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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: scruffymafia]
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scruffymafia, I think I was a bit harsh before and I'm sorry. The reason I reacted like that (and probably xmush too) is because there is a lot of misinformation and fear about this mushroom, and we don't like to see misinformation being spread. There are risks; research should be done and great care taken but I don't believe that A. muscarias' notoriety is deserved. It seems your concern is for our wellbeing which i appreciate.

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