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 Re: Police chief's 'Orwellian' fears  [Re: elbisivni]
#6953940 - 05/22/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do they have a pipe dream of getting enough guards to one day watch all the cameras?
Of course not, they're hoping super computers will be able to do it for them, super computers that don't need to be paid on a regular basis.
This is so like the police.
I know I'm probably going to get crap for this, but I honestly would prefer fewer, yet constantly watched, cameras rather than a plethora of computer-manned.
The problem is that the police have come to focus on investigating crimes already committed rather than preventing them in the first place.
Will the supercomputer be able to catch someone smoking weed instead of a normal cig? Of course not.
But it will be able to recognize the face of someone who is already a known felon.
Personally, I'd rather have police that actively protect me, rather than actively punish offenders they have already failed to protect me against.
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Re: Police chief's 'Orwellian' fears [Re: Economist]
#6954860 - 05/23/07 12:53 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Actually systems are being developed that claim to be able to see lies or guilt by analyzing the infrared signature of someone's face, or the way they walk.
UV Laser systems than can detect traces of drugs, systems that can detect the traces by scanning the beam over someones skin, and analyzing the UV absorption patten.
There are terrahertz RF and back-scatter x-ray systems that can digitally strip search you without you knowing.
The police in the UK have already been testing CCTV with directional audio surveillance capabilities.
Unmanned Ariel drones are being trialled too.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1739413.stm
http://www.newscientisttech.com/article.ns?id=dn9623&feedId=forensic-science_rss20
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,1981825,00.html
I find all this quite disturbing, especially in the way people will have to standardize their behavior to match the pattern expected of them or face constant hassle. A land of sheeple, constantly watched by machines in the service of a few.
Edit: Oh and I must not forget the forced cataloging of the entire adult population's facial and other biometric data in the form of compulsory national ID cards. They need that to make this mass of random data personal.
Edited by psilomonkey (05/23/07 01:01 AM)
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Re: Police chief's 'Orwellian' fears [Re: psilomonkey]
#6955599 - 05/23/07 07:58 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Actually systems are being developed that claim to be able to see lies or guilt by analyzing the infrared signature of someone's face, or the way they walk.
Right, but this still wouldn't be useful in protecting the population. There would be no way to differentiate between someone who is guilty over cheating on his girlfriend from someone who is quilty for shooting that store owner.
Instead, it would be useful in finding someone who looks guilty walking away from a crime that's already been committed.
We need to convince our governments to commit resources to protecting us, not picking up the pieces once it's already too late.
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I find all this quite disturbing, especially in the way people will have to standardize their behavior to match the pattern expected of them or face constant hassle. A land of sheeple, constantly watched by machines in the service of a few.
I find this outcome highly unlikely. Just as the police do not have the resources to have all cameras watched by an officer, they certainly do not have the resources to investigate each and every single guilty face they come across.
Even biometric data become useless when drinking, or a host of other legal activities can easily throw it off.
Evidence collected is useless unless there are matching resources to launch an investigation.
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Re: Police chief's 'Orwellian' fears [Re: Economist]
#6956286 - 05/23/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Instead, it would be useful in finding someone who looks guilty walking away from a crime that's already been committed.
We need to convince our governments to commit resources to protecting us, not picking up the pieces once it's already too late.
It could serve as a deterrent. If there were an effective method of stopping crime before it happened we would have heard about it by now, the concepts at least. Even my imagination only permits possibilities that involve Pre-Cogs, Aura sensation imaging technology, etc..
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Re: Police chief's 'Orwellian' fears [Re: Economist]
#6957213 - 05/23/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I come from a country that has more than double the number CCTV in its capital city alone that exist in the entire United States. With a socialist government obsessed with targets, profiles, and vast IT projects. That has enacted over 3,000 new laws within its 9 and bit years in office, and has been behind the greatest peace time erosion of civil liberties in British history.
I am sure they think they are doing it for our own good, the way socialists always do, but I see in my working life the construction of huge networks and databases designed to empower the state, Biometric databases on everyone, Car Number Plate Tracking, Telecoms data retention and mass surveillance, CCTV, cradled to grave databases including psychological and sociological profiling on every citizen. Laws designed to control behavior (Smoking bans including private members clubs, trial less behavior orders that can send you to jail).
I am also aware of the huge amount of belief they place in techno-fixes to social problems, I may be being paranoid, but once the panopticon database state is built it's going to damn hard to dismantle (they will see opponents coming a mile off!)
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Re: Police chief's 'Orwellian' fears [Re: psilomonkey]
#6957433 - 05/23/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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With a socialist government
The UK has a socialist goverment? I must have missed that! I thought they'd just dressed some PR obsessed twats up in suits and called themselves 'New Labour'.
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Re: Police chief's 'Orwellian' fears [Re: multivitamins]
#6957518 - 05/23/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok... Correction, "champagne socialist government"
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Re: Police chief's 'Orwellian' fears [Re: psilomonkey]
#6958277 - 05/23/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am sure they think they are doing it for our own good, the way socialists always do
regardless of intentions, the potential for abuse is so unbelievable, I'm both scared and excited to see what the future holds. I'm guessing it will be much closer to 1984, than anything else I can think of.
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