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 Boppity604
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 Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? 
#683336 - 06/17/02 06:44 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have an open question for veteran shroomers...how different from LSD is the onset of ego loss with shrooms? I alwasy go into any trip with an openess to any experience...I try to avoid going in with expectations. Just wondering if there are any obvious dis-similarities to LSD.
Thanks!
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 Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: Boppity604]
#684864 - 06/17/02 08:15 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hrm ...
I don't know exactly what you are asking here, but in my experience, acid is entirely different from shrooms. Like the Psychedelic Experience FAQ says, I find acid to be more expanding and shrooms to be more repetitive ... on acid I'll go into a billion constantly changing thoughts at once, but on shrooms I will focus on one thought for a loooong time without being able to help it ... visually, acid tends to be unbelievable, everything is completely new and not what i just saw. on shrooms i tend to see a lot of the same old stuff.
i could go on for a while of how i find them to be different, but to sum it up, overall i love acid more than anything for what it is and how intense the experience is, but shrooming will always be something I love as well.
sorry i couldn't really answer this right now, I'm quite tired and too lazy to do a great reply. 
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 Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: Boppity604]
#684924 - 06/17/02 09:33 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey Bop!
So, we meet again! Glad to help you out here bud! I have done both and mesc. too... I have never experienced total ego loss on either 'cid or shrooms.
My best (and worst) acid trip was 17 years ago, when I did experience a loss of reason. The LSD we had done was 60's quality stuff on green blotter... Totally awesome, I could see ANYTHING I wanted to see just by thinking about it. It was a 12 hour cartoon and I was directing it. Awesome time until the 11th hour when all of a sudden, brought on by putting my nose to my girlfriend's nose and looking directly into her eyes, her face became a cartoon face and something snapped! I had a friend do the same thing and then they both snapped too. From that moment, for the next 5 or so minutes, total loss of reason! Any thought that popped into mind was the absolute truth! Voiceing our thoughts, one at a time, each of the three of us thought we were permantly insane. Then that we were going to die, then that our hearts had stopped, then that our hearts were beating. Then the cat came in and jumped up on the couch to join us (thank GOD!). We each petted the cat, realized "he's okay, were okay, it's just a drug, it'll wear off."
From that point until we were down, everything was alright - WHEW!
After that I swore I'd never drop again, and haven't. Shrooms, however, I'll do 'til I'm too feable to know I haven't done 'em, or physically am unable to grow 'em, buy 'em, or eat 'em! I was once on a 6.5 gram trip by myself and got almost to the loss of reason point, still had my ego though, but reason came fully back w/in 1 minute and I was fine. I usually dose 4.5-5.5 grams and get to a strong level 3 to mid 4 without ever losing ego I wouldn't want to because I'd be too afraid of the loss of reason happening first! It's a scary, dangerous thing! People died trying to fly off roofs in the 60's because they truly believed they could! The trips I get are terrific natural trips with nice morphing 3D images (which happen open-eyed for an hour in the middle), excellent audible dortion/expansion (as we've discussed), and total joy and happiness with lots of laughter (sometimes almost uncontrolable). I've done cubensis and cyanescens, and find the cubies much prefferable for visuals.
The major difference betwen LSD and shrooms is that the 'cid tends to give a sort of artificial, cartoon-like image, and doesn't do as much for your ears as it does for your eyes (or your mind's eye I should say). Shrooms work well on both and produce a more God-created-it type of effect. Also, every batch of LSD is somewhat different from the next, so you never know how strong or weak or good or bad it'll be. On the shroom side, since I've been doing 'em 3-4 tmies a year for the past 22+ years, I've found that a cubie is a cubie is a cubie. All my trips are almost exactly the same, and I like it that way.
If your LOOKING to get a loss of ego on shrooms, IMHO you're looking for trouble because you'll probably need to get through the loss of reason first. If I were you, I'd start quite a bit lighter than the max, Since you've done LSD, start with 3-3.5 then wait at least a month or more then go for 5 and if you still want to go higher, go for it, just remember unlike LSD, tolerance is a big factor! That's the main reason I only trip 3 or 4 times a year. The longer you wait, the better it is (up to 4 or 5 months). To get to ego loss you'd need to wait out the tolerance factor then do 8-10 grams. I never would want to do that, but to each his own.
Sorry for such a long post, but you asked a GOOD question. Hope I helped you out some.
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Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: HB]
#684930 - 06/17/02 09:43 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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As for thoughts, that's true, you could dwell on one thing for quite a while on shrooms, but its totally controllable. When I start to drift, my precious music becomes ambient instead of the focus, so I bring myself back, but I think it's the weed in combo that causes the drift.
The visuals are alwasys EXACTLY the same at EXACTLY the same point in every song. I know because I havent changed the first 140 minutes of music I listen to tripping in over 4 years!
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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss.
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Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: TM]
#685019 - 06/18/02 12:49 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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LsD Is Acctully Easier On My HEad Its Alot more Fun Its Like Being on Speed With Alot of Visuals i luv that shit to bad it hasnt been around for a fuckin year
shrooms jsut get scary somtimes
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Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: HB]
#685077 - 06/18/02 02:27 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey Heavenly!
>>I don't know exactly what you are asking here
Actually I think you did because your descriptions were exactly what I was asking about!!  I used to trip on LSD all the time so I was just looking for differences in overall experience. I don't want to go in with any expectations so I figured I'd ask.
Thanks!
Love & Light,
Boppity
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Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: TM]
#685083 - 06/18/02 02:40 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey Trip!
>>My best (and worst) acid trip was 17 years ago, when I did experience a loss of reason.
I've had some very cool trips. The most acid I ever ate at once was a puddle of liquid consisting of 20 drops, I tripped for 36 hours. Was a LOT of fun. The very "first" real trip I had on LSD was back in 2000 and I posted the event here in Trip Tips Forum. Here's the URL:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum5&Number=674727&Forum=All_Forums&Words=No%20Place%20Like%20Home&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=3months&Main=674727&Search=true#Post674727
I also tripped once on DXM and LSD at the same time...talk about WILD! hehe I lost all conceived notions of time/space/self and it was AMAZINGLY cool. I could see how that can freak a lot of people out when they're not open to such detachments.
>>If I were you, I'd start quite a bit lighter than the max,
I wasn't planning on maxing out. I would like to land somewhere in the low to mid level 4 experiences. But I always approach new psychedelics with respect and will be happy even if I only land in level 3 for the first time.
>>just remember unlike LSD, tolerance is a big factor!
Yup...all the literature online about cubensis says to wait 1-2 weeks between doses and I always wait a minimum of 2 weeks between major experiences. I even take 1-2 day breaks when I have weed to keep those experiences as strong as possible.
Thanks for the advice and information!!
Love & Light,
Boppity
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Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: Boppity604]
#685084 - 06/18/02 02:43 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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>>shrooms jsut get scary somtimes
In what ways? I've yet to ever have a frightening experience on any psychedelic. I've had some wild visuals/hallucinations as well as memory loss and disassociative thought patterns on acid...nothing ever freaked me though. I enjoy the weirdness...that's what so cool about psychedelics for me. To see how the mind's messages are all being interpreted and scattered...it's very cool.
Love & Light,
Boppity
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Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: Boppity604]
#685350 - 06/18/02 06:07 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Try a level five trip on mushrooms.
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Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: Boppity604]
#685395 - 06/18/02 06:26 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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acid is much easier to handle. My first acid trip was 2.5 tabs of some pretty decent acid. Thinking I was the experienced tripper I thought acid was more hardcore than shrooms so I could handle shrooms easily. A few hours after I digested 5 grams, I was pissing my pants, curling up in a ball praying I wasn't in permanent psychosis and that I wouldn't die. 
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Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: stealth]
#685462 - 06/18/02 06:58 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stealth, this is the last time I'm going to say this...if you are going to address me in any of my threads I do NOT want to see your anti-gay remarks. It's offending me and I don't need it in any of my threads or discussions.
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Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: Boppity604]
#686179 - 06/18/02 12:12 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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ya ive had the matid pokin at me before on the ceiling
its not to comfortable
i have trips somtimes where its jsut like acid atterns but somtimes it changed into entities etc and when they like to fuck with u u know hehe its gonna be a weird night
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Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: Boppity604]  1
#686661 - 06/18/02 05:20 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey man, edit that stupid extra long link that you posted. Its messing up the formatting of this whole thread because of the length. Use the url tag where you specifiy a shortened title in place of the whole address.
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Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: dirk gently]
#687306 - 06/19/02 02:07 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see no formatting problems for this thread and since you had to be so loving in your comment I think I'll leave it the way is.
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 Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: Boppity604]
#687708 - 06/19/02 06:49 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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For me, acid is crispy while shrooms are gooey.
with acid i see brilliant perfectly geometric paterns and colors.
with shrooms i see colors and paterns but they are more wavy and not as intensely colorful. On shrooms I also see hyperexagerrated expresions on peoples faces, kinda like that "black hole sun" video. On acid, peoples faces have war paint on them. On acid, my mind races too fast for me to grasp a thought, and sometimes i can't speak (very speedy). On shrooms I can actually think and feel more focused. Shrooms make me wanna lay down and listen to music while acid makes me wanna take a long walk.
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Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: Boppity604]
#689469 - 06/20/02 12:25 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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ACid - never anxious, Highly visual, highly spiritual - THE BEST SUBSTANCE TO EVER GRACE THE MINDS OF OUR PLANET!!! If you like and can handle hard trips on shrooms - you can handle the very best acid can throw at you - shrooms can get a lot nastier than acid
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 Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: TM]
#708397 - 06/28/02 03:59 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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What 140 Minutes of music would that be?
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Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#709148 - 06/28/02 07:24 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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In reply to:
What 140 Minutes of music would that be?
Well, I will eventually post my "official trip tracks" but for now, let's say;
Best of Magical Mystery Tour
Sympathy for the Devil - (Guns 'n' Roses cover version-They kick the Stone's asses on that!)
Best of Sgt. Pepper's
Jump Into the Fire - Harry Nillson
YYZ - Rush
Limelight - Rush
The Camera Eye - Rush
Best of Squeezes' Singles Album
Best of REO's High Infidelity Album
Try it, you'll like it. Everyone does. 
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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss.
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Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: Boppity604]
#712220 - 06/29/02 08:56 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can't compare these two substances as if they were apples,
because they're apples and oranges. Both are psychedelic, but they
perform their actions in completely different ways. LSD interferes with
the serotonin binding mechanism, while psilocin mimics serotonin itself.
There is a fundamental difference in the two, chemically.
LSD seems to produce a lot of cyclic (or psychlic) thought
patterns. You overanalyze everything. Things become incredibly profound
("Oh my God, the dog has HAIR! That's the secret of the UNIVERSE!"), but,
on the other hand, you can get trapped in spiralling cycles of paranoia,
whirlpooling down into a hellish nightmare. Bad trips. They happen.
Mushrooms, on the other hand, tend to screw not so much with
thought processes as with sensory interpretation centers. LSD produces
hallucinations because it totally *warps* your cognition. Psilocin
produces hallucinations because it affects your visual and auditory
centers. That's why shrooms leave you more lucid, more able to
understand, more "yourself." They are affecting your perceptions, not
*you*, whereas LSD is changing your entire personality, if only temporarily.
Some people find that LSD unlocks portions of their minds that
they would rather leave locked, and some find parts of themselves they
wish they'd discovered earlier. Shrooms don't have such an introspective
quality -- they tend to make you think more about the universe, instead
of analyzing your own mind.
The two aren't even slightly comparable. Don't argue over which
one gives a better trip. The two trips are of perpendicular types. It's
like comparing a jackhammer to a chainsaw -- both possess power, but they
do entirely different things.
Don't try to cut a tree down with a jackhammer. Don't try to
break up a concrete slab with a chainsaw. Decide what you want beforehand
-- introspection, or elucidation of the universe -- and if you choose the
first, go with acid, if you want the second, go with shrooms.
As for the "LSD is a chemical abomination, shrooms are natural"
argument.. The manufacture of LSD doesn't produce any noxious poisons or
ozone-destroying halocarbons, so what does it matter if it's synthetic?
And as a factoid, the Merck index says that LSD can be generated by
claviceps purpurae fungus under controlled conditions. Semi-naturally.
Probably via collection over ethane or something similar.
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 Re: Shrooms vs LSD...how different are they? [Re: shroominsmurf]
#712475 - 06/30/02 02:14 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Great post shroominsmurf!
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