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US troops want out of Iraq
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Apparently their mood is starting to become rebellious.

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_troops_in_Iraq_want_out_03192007.html

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For US troops from 9th Cavalry Regiment bumping around the dangerous streets of Baghdad in Humvees after dark on Monday, news that their deployment in Iraq could be extended fell like a hammer blow.

Their commanders had cautioned that their second one-year tour due to end in October could be prolonged while US President George W. Bush later warned troops it was too soon to "pack up and go home."

The expletives during the four-hour night patrol turned the air in the Humvee, already thick with cigarette smoke, a dark shade of blue.

"We just want to get out of here as soon as possible," said one vehicle commander in one of his few printable comments.

"It's because the Iraqi army is so scared that we have to come here to die," he added, asking not to be named.

"Ninety-five percent of Iraqis are good but five percent are bad. But the 95 percent are too weak to stand up to the five percent."

"Bush should send all the Death Row prisoners here and they can be killed fighting the terrorists. We've had enough," said another soldier, as the Humvee accelerated past a roadside car in case it exploded.

Added yet another, "Bush can come fight here. He can take my 1,000 dollars a month and I'll go home."

Commander of the night operation, Lieutenant Brian Long, said the anger was understandable.

"One of the men has five children, another has three. Another has a boy aged four -- he's missed two of those years. He'll never get them back," said Long.

"It is like the movie 'Groundhog Day'. Each day is the same and nothing ever changes," he added, referring to the 1993 movie in which the principal character is doomed to repeat the same day endlessly.

"It's tough. Everyone just wants to get home to their families," said the officer.

Bush, after speaking to Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and the top US military commander in Iraq, said in Washington that his new plan to pacify war-wracked Iraq would take months.

"It could be tempting to look at the challenges in Iraq and conclude our best option is to pack up and go home," Bush said, four years to the day after he announced that American troops were fighting to depose Saddam Hussein.

"That may be satisfying in the short run, but I believe the consequences for American security would be devastating," Bush said, warning that a US departure would spark chaos in Iraq which would engulf the region.

Platoon commander of the 9th Cavalry Regiment, Captain Christopher Dawson, said he understood the need for troops to stay in Iraq.

"We are starting to make a difference," he said. "The violence is dropping. We are training Iraqis to take over responsibility for their own security. We are helping them see their future ahead of them. It is in their hands."

But the lower ranks were in rebellious mood, especially after publication of a poll on Monday, commissioned by the BBC, ABC News, ARD German TV and USA Today, which showed only 18 percent of those questioned had confidence in US and coalition troops, while 78 percent opposed their presence.

"If no one wants us here we are quite ready to get out tomorrow," said the outspoken vehicle commander.

One of the few Iraqis the troops met during their night patrol -- most stay indoors once the 8pm curfew kicks in -- said he feared the day the US forces pulled out.

"They can stay for 100 years if they want," said Salam Ahmed, a security guard at a shoe warehouse on the outskirts of the city. "If they go, the bad guys will certainly come for me."




I can't wait to see the neo-cons prove their deep respect for our troops by saying that their opinions don't count, and they need to shut up.


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Edited by FrenchSocialist (03/19/07 10:58 PM)

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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: FrenchSocialist]
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yeah, i'm gonna trust that poll by those sources  :rofl:


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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: Syle]
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Can you give me the reasons as to why you are skeptical of those specific sources?


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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: FrenchSocialist]
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And what would consider a reliable source? Fox News perhaps? :laugh:


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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: TheGreatDictator]
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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: Syle]
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Syle said:
yeah, i'm gonna trust that poll by those sources  :rofl:



Find me some evidence that American troops are GLAD to be spending multiple tours of duty on the ground in Iraq. And then find me some evidence that Iraqis are GLAD that our troops are still there. And then find me some evidence that we have accomplished anything whatsoever in the last two years of our occupation.


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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: TheGreatDictator]
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TheGreatDictator said:
Here's another source:

http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/administration/afp-news.html?id=070320004302.w8d2wm3v&cat=null

Even the Christian Science Monitor printed an article about it:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0301/dailyUpdate.html

Here's another one:

http://www.epicguide.com/2006/03/01/soldiers-want-to-come-home-duh/

And who knew, another one:

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12734

I guess the world must be lying.




Did you read your links?????


"The Christian Science Monitor reported today that the majority of troops polled showed a desire to withdraw from Iraq within a year. While at first glance this article may be surprising, as always you must look at it with slowly. First off, look at the sourse: The Christian Science Monitor- a anti-war forerunner. Even more biased is the poll which was funded by Le Moyne College’s Center for Peace and Global Studies. Just look at the name and tell me that isnt biased. Furthermore, Le Moyne College’s Center for Peace and Global Studies recieved its money for the project from an anonymous anti-war activist. This article reaks of bias, and despite how polls make look offical, you can make a poll say whatever you want by asking the right question. To contrast this, my personal experience with talking to soldiers, they all take the same position I expect. They don’t want to be there, they hate it, but they know why they are there."

"they know why they are there"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: lonestar2004]
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If there is a problem with the poll, let us know what it is. The poll is not poorly made just because of who made it.

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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
If there is a problem with the poll, let us know what it is. The poll is not poorly made just because of who made it.




Reeeaallly?????

a Zogby-Le Moyne College-Center for Peace and Global Studies POLL,
commissioned by a wealthy war opponent.....


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
If there is a problem with the poll, let us know what it is. The poll is not poorly made just because of who made it.



We just did a poll in the office that found 100% of respondents believe students at the Zogby-Le Moyne College are pedophiles....


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: lonestar2004]
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Like I said, attack the research, not the researcher. If the studies are so poorly done, I expect you will be able to find something wrong with it. Any real debater debunks the message, not the messenger.

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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: Redstorm]
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I have been unable to find ANY methods or procedures regarding this poll.....( The specific demographics OR the survey methodology)

I guess i should just TRUST a survey with secret methods and partisan sponsorship....

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/02/zogby_on_iraq.html

"I asked Zogby what advice he would offer data consumers who find this all puzzling. In this case, he said, "you have to trust me."

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AH AH AH AH AH HA HA HA HA


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: FrenchSocialist]
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Fuck 'em. Most of them voted for Bush anyway.


No blood for pussy.

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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Baby_Hitler said:
No blood for pussy.


:D


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: lonestar2004]
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Zogby polls are widely respected and quoted and are at least as accurate as any other polls.

Please provide evidence of any irregularities regarding this poll.

Disliking the pollster does not count.


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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: lonestar2004]
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All wars are about control and manipulation of the #1 most sought after human resource: pussy.

Men go to war to prove their manliness to the pussy. The women in turn eagerly spread their legs wide for their blood soaked heroes while their cunts drip wet with the blood of innocent children.

This is the basis of all war, violence, and oppression in the world.

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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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From the zogby link in an above post.

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Jeffrey Stonecash,a Syracuse University political science professor who conducts polls, said he was reluctant to discuss the methods in Zogby's poll because he has so few details about how it was done.



Not for nothing, but I don't think that rank and file soldiers should be making policy and I am not at all surprised they want to go home.


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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: FrenchSocialist]
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Other poll sutff:

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Story Highlights:
• More than half of Iraqis say violence against U.S. troops acceptable
• Fewer than half of Iraqis say life better now than under Saddam Hussein
• Only a third of Iraqis want U.S. troops to leave immediately



http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/19/iraq.poll.ap/

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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: zappaisgod]
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There is no-one qualified to make these kinds of decisions, not the president, not the American people, nobody.

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Re: US troops want out of Iraq [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:
Did you read your links?????


"The Christian Science Monitor reported today that the majority of troops polled showed a desire to withdraw from Iraq within a year. While at first glance this article may be surprising, as always you must look at it with slowly. First off, look at the sourse: The Christian Science Monitor- a anti-war forerunner. Even more biased is the poll which was funded by Le Moyne College’s Center for Peace and Global Studies. Just look at the name and tell me that isnt biased. Furthermore, Le Moyne College’s Center for Peace and Global Studies recieved its money for the project from an anonymous anti-war activist. This article reaks of bias, and despite how polls make look offical, you can make a poll say whatever you want by asking the right question. To contrast this, my personal experience with talking to soldiers, they all take the same position I expect. They don’t want to be there, they hate it, but they know why they are there."




They don't present any evidence for the bias that they accuse the sources of.


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