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US losses in Iraq
    #1703401 - 07/10/03 06:45 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Timeline: US losses in Iraq

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3019552.stm

US Central Command has reported the deaths of 65 American service personnel in Iraq since 1 May when President Bush declared that major combat was over.
Of the dead, a large proportion were killed in combat, typically in ambushes involving rocket-propelled grenades (RPG) and sniper attacks.

In the same period, UK forces lost six servicemen - all members of the Military Police who were attacked in a village about 160 kilometres (100 miles) north of Basra.

The following entries are based on day-to-day Central Command news releases and do not cover war-related casualties outside Iraq or the possible deaths of soldiers succumbing to their wounds at a later stage.


9 July: A soldier (Fourth Infantry Divsion) dies of a gunshot wound in a 'non combat incident' in Balad

9 July: A soldier (Fourth Infantry Division) dies and another is wounded in a grenade attack on thier convoy in Baghdad

9 July: A soldier (Third Corps Support Command) is killed by small arms fire when a convoy is ambushed near Al Mahmudiyah

7 July: A soldier (101st Airborne Division) dies from gunshot wounds in a 'non combat incident' in Balad.

7 July: A soldier is killed when an explosive device strikes his vehicle while on patrol in Kadhimyah, Baghdad.

6 July: A soldier (First Armoured Division) is killed during a firefight between his platoon and Iraqi gunmen in the Ad Hamiyah area of Baghdad.

6 July: A soldier (First Armoured Division) dies after being shot in the head on the Baghdad University campus.

3 July: A soldier (First Armoured Division) is killed in Baghdad when a Bradley vehicle comes under sniper fire.

3 July: A soldier (First Armoured Division) dies of gunshot wounds in a "non-combat" related incident.

2 July: A Marine (First Expeditionary Force) dies and three are injured while conducting mine clearing operations in Karbala.

2 July: A US soldier dies from wounds received when his convoy was hit by an improvised explosive device in Baghdad the previous day.

28 June: The remains of two soldiers missing since 25th June are recovered 20 miles outside Baghdad.

27 June: One soldier (First Armoured Division) killed and four injured in a grenade attack in the Thawra area of Baghdad.

26 June: One soldier (First Marine Expeditionary Force) killed in ambush while investigating a car theft in An Najaf.

26 June: One special forces soldier killed and eight injured in a 'hostile fire' incident in south-west Baghdad.

25 June: One soldier (First Marine Expeditionary Force) killed and two are injured when their armoured vehicle overturns as they rush to help colleagues under fire.

24 June: Soldier (First Armoured Division) dies in a "non-combat incident". No details given.

22 June: One soldier (First Armoured Division) killed and one injured in a grenade attack on a military convoy south of Baghdad, in Khan Azad.

19 June: One soldier (804th Medical Brigade) killed and two injured in an RPG attack on a military ambulance in an area north of Camp Dogwood in the town of Iskandariya.

18 June: One soldier killed (First Armoured Division) and one wounded in a gun attack at a petrol distribution plant in Baghdad.

17 June: Soldier (First Armoured Division) mortally wounded by sniper in north-west Baghdad.

16 June: Soldier (First Marine Expeditionary Force) dies of "non-hostile gunshot wound" in An Najaf.

15 June: Soldier mortally wounded in "an apparent non-hostile incident" in the Taji area. No further details given.

13 June: One soldier (V Corps) dies and eight are injured in an armoured vehicle rollover accident 20 kilometres south of Asad Air Base.

13 June: Soldier drowns while swimming in lake near Falluja.

10 June: One paratrooper (82nd Airborne Division) killed and one injured in RPG attack in south-west Baghdad.

8 June: Soldier shot dead while manning a traffic control point in Qaim.

7 June: One soldier killed and four wounded in RPG and gun attack near Tikrit.

6 June: One soldier killed and two injured in a vehicle accident about 35 kilometres north of Baghdad.

6 June: Navy Seabee (serving with the First Marine Expeditionary Force) killed handling unexploded ordnance in Kut.

5 June: One soldier (101st Airborne Division) killed and five wounded in Falluja in an RPG attack.

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2 June: Soldier (Fourth Infantry Division) mortally wounded in RPG and gun attack near Balad.

30 May: Three soldiers die as result of vehicle accident between Mosul and Tikrit.

29 May: Soldier "killed by hostile fire" while travelling on a main supply route. No further details.

27 May: Two soldiers killed and nine wounded in RPG and gun attack in Falluja.

26 May: Soldier drowns "after diving into an aqueduct" south of Kirkuk.

26 May: One soldier killed and three injured when their vehicles runs over mine or unexploded ordnance. No further details.

26 May: One soldier killed and two injured in a collision with a tractor.

26 May: One soldier (Third Armoured Cavalry Regiment) killed and one wounded in ambush on their convoy near Hadithah, about 193 km north-west of Baghdad.

25 May: One soldier killed and one injured in an apparent accidental blast at a former Iraqi munitions dump.

21 May: Soldier killed in vehicle accident near Baqubah.

19 May: All four crew members killed when Sea Knight helicopter crashes in the Shat Hilla Canal. One marine drowns while trying to rescue the crew.

19 May: One soldier killed in traffic accident near Safwan.

18 May: One soldier killed and one wounded in traffic accident near Samawa.

18 May: Soldier (Fourth Infantry Division) dies of "non-hostile gunshot wound".

17 May: One soldier killed and three injured while detonating unexploded ordnance in Baghdad.

14 May: One soldier killed and two injured in traffic accident near Irbil.

13 May: One soldier killed in accidental munitions explosion near Hilla.

12 May: Two soldiers killed in accidental munitions explosion.

9 May: Three soldiers killed and one injured in helicopter crash near Samarra.

8 May: Soldier killed by lone gunman in Baghdad.

4 May: Soldier dies in apparent suicide.

3 May: Soldier dies in apparent accidental shooting.

1 May: Soldier killed in traffic accident near Habbaniya.

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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: pattern]
    #1703447 - 07/10/03 07:01 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

A young man just out of highschool from my home town is one of the men Bush sent to be killed.

I used to work with other girl who is over there right now.




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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
    #1703704 - 07/10/03 08:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

We will probably be over there for 2.5-5 years. Bush did not send anyone unwillingly. We have a volunteer military you know.


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: shakta]
    #1703767 - 07/10/03 09:17 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

shakta said:
Bush did not send anyone unwillingly. We have a volunteer military you know.


As an ex-military member, I recall that the military oath of office states:

"I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR (OR AFFIRM) THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC; THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION; AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE UPON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER."

So unless it can be shown that policing Iraq is somehow required to defend the US Constitution, then they didn't volunteer for it.


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Cornholio]
    #1703793 - 07/10/03 09:27 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Oh please tell me you are kidding. Anyone joining the military knows there is a risk of war. The oath says you are to defend the Constitution against enemies. Saddam was deemed a threat to the welfare of the United States, and therefore a threat to the Constitution.


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: shakta]
    #1703855 - 07/10/03 09:56 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Saddam was deemed a threat to the welfare of the United States, and therefore a threat to the Constitution.


It's questionable whether he was ever a serious threat or not. But that he will be a threat for the next 2.5 - 5 years??? I think some in the military (and elsewhere) have some strong doubts about that.


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Cornholio]
    #1703981 - 07/10/03 10:36 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I am sure some do. Some of every group will disagree.


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Cornholio]
    #1704219 - 07/10/03 11:45 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Even a lot of our own troops are beginning to see that the whole invasion was bullshit. Even many conserative news sources are stating that troop moral is low.


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: monoamine]
    #1704280 - 07/11/03 12:06 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

grandmasterfat said:
Even many conserative news sources are stating that troop moral is low. 


I know.  It must be REALLY bad.  :tongue: 


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Cornholio]
    #1704299 - 07/11/03 12:16 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I gotta agree with Shakta on this one.

When you join the military you sign up to do whatever they want you to do no matter what.





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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
    #1704338 - 07/11/03 12:27 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Any high school student taking a law studies class will tell you that you give up many of your individual freedoms if you are a prisoner, public school student (who else finds this incredibly fucked up?),and when you join the military.


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
    #1704360 - 07/11/03 12:36 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Learyfan said:
I gotta agree with Shakta on this one.

When you join the military you sign up to do whatever they want you to do no matter what.


There's little question about that. The question is whether or not Bush has the right to keep them there to do something they didn't sign up for (oil protection, rather than constitution protection). To the best of my knowledge, Bush went to war with Iraq without even getting congressional approval, which itself is unconstitutional.


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: monoamine]
    #1704365 - 07/11/03 12:38 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

all 3 institutions require that the enrollee be
completely dedicated to the cause whether
willingly or through conditioning.

there would be chaos without that element
of control.


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Cornholio]
    #1704371 - 07/11/03 12:42 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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To the best of my knowledge, Bush went to war with Iraq without even getting congressional approval, which itself is unconstitutional.




It's not a war,it's an "operation" or "conflict",duh. This great country would never use an euphamism (sp?) to justify a war. We never had a war in Korea either.


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: monoamine]
    #1704373 - 07/11/03 12:42 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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grandmasterfat said:
Any high school student taking a law studies class will tell you that you give up many of your individual freedoms if you are a prisoner, public school student (who else finds this incredibly fucked up?),and when you join the military. 


That's why I quit.  It seemed fucked up that I was defending everyone's freedom but my own.  :wtf: 


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: afoaf]
    #1704389 - 07/11/03 12:47 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yes,all chaos and the bowels of hell would have broken lose because I wore an "innapropriate" Bad Religion t-shirt with a Christian cross with an X going through it. Nowhere in the 1st ammendment does it say "this applies to everyone but high school students."


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Cornholio]
    #1705523 - 07/11/03 12:48 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

It seemed fucked up that I was defending everyone's freedom but my own




thats why i got out of the military.


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: 1stimer]
    #1705610 - 07/11/03 01:22 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I think the broader point is that the reason for starting the first pre-emptive war in American history (except that one with the indians), and the soldiers lives that have been paid so far and will continue to be paid was predicated on information that was corrupted, by whose-ever hand, and that the aftermath was ALWAYS referred to by the administration as something that would take less than a year. In fact, one of their original statements, and statements by the original planners of the war, was that within six months they would have only fifty thousand troops there. Now the 2-5 year figure is being bolstered around, but to tell the truth I dont think we will be able to leave there in less than five to seven, unless we leave in defeat.

Of course the military agrees to serve no matter what, but if the whole truth had been told, including realistic expectations of servicemens's lives and the amounts of time it would take to rebuild something there, how many citizens and congressmen and senators would ahve been behind the war (action, whatever).

When soldiers lives are lost, there is more than an obligation to make sure thier lives were lost for the truth and not for half baked exagerations and denial of what the true costs of the after war mission would entail.

This war was planned by make believe people in a make belive world, but the boys and girls in the real world are over there in the desert dieing. The thing is, no matter whether there was deception or just plain incompetance we are stuck with the pig in the poke, and if we leave to early we will have worse problems than we did before.


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: drfrei]
    #1705688 - 07/11/03 01:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I don't see how anyone with simple logic skills could defend this war with a straight face.


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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: monoamine]
    #1705710 - 07/11/03 01:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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grandmasterfat said:
I don't see how anyone with simple logic skills could defend this war with a straight face.


Funny thing, that's how many "righties" feel about many, if not most, things that "lefties" try and defend.


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