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Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo...........
    #6462834 -

If they cant execute one person the right way, how can they effectivly rule over a populace?


http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-01-15T201218Z_01_MAC638878_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ.xml&src=rss&rpc=22


Saddam aides hanged, film shows one head severed
Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:12pm ET


BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq hanged two aides to Saddam Hussein before dawn on Monday but government efforts to avoid a repeat of uproar over the ousted leader's rowdy execution were thwarted when his half-brother's head was severed by the noose.

Many of the government's Shi'ite Muslim supporters rejoiced at the death of Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti, Saddam's once feared intelligence chief who was accused of sending people to death in a meat grinder. But voices in Iraq's Sunni Arab minority saw the decapitation as a deliberate sectarian act of revenge.

Government spokesmen said the severing of Barzan's head was a rare hangman's blunder. Critics said it may have been partly a result of Barzan's illness with cancer.


Officials showed journalists film of Barzan and former judge Awad Hamed al-Bander standing side by side in orange jumpsuits on the scaffold, appearing pale and trembling with fear as the hangmen placed black hoods over their heads.

As the two trap doors swung open, the force of the rope jerked Bander's head off. The head fell to the floor next to his body in a pool of blood as Bander's corpse swung above it.

The officials said they had decided not to distribute any part of the film to the public -- unlike footage shown of Saddam standing on the gallows.

The U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, told reporters the hanging of the two men was "an Iraqi decision, an Iraqi execution". But some countries in the European Union, to which Iraq is looking for economic aid, expressed disgust. The United Nations had appealed for mercy.




The memo:

PREPARATION

The following procedure should be used in makeready for the gallows prior to the execution. This should be done several days prior to the execution by a Certified Hanging Technician.

Determine the Rope Length for the particular executee. Employ the following formula for this determination and in the event of a multiple execution test with the requirements for the lighter executee and the longer drop. After the first execution, the Rope Length should be shortened for the next execution. Since the test was for the lighter executee, the trap door may be considered to function with the greater weight of the second executee.

Rope Length = (S - C) + Drop Distance

Where: S = Scaffold Crossbeam Height from Scaffold Floor

C = Executee's Chin Height

Drop Distance = the distance the executee is dropped

Rope Length = distance of the executee's drop + the distance of his chin from the scaffold crossbeam

Note: All measurements are in inches.

1. Measure the executee's chin height from the floor and weigh him.

2. Measure the scaffold crossbeam height from the floor of the scaffold.

3. Subtract the Chin Height from the Scaffold Crossbeam Height and add the Drop Distance from the Drop Distance Table to obtain the Rope Length.

4. Mark the rope at the rope length and cut it seven (7) feet longer. If fastener for rope is not at crossbeam but at another location, add this distance to the crossbeam height plus any additional amount needed for fastening.

5. Boil the rope for one (1) hour and stretch the rope while drying to eliminate all spring, stiffness or tendency to coil. Dry thoroughly.

6. Either tie Conventional Hangman's Knot as per included instructions or utilize a Mechanical Hangman's Knot and fasten with U-clamp. Lubricate Hangman's Knot with proper lubricant.

7. Install the Rope with the Hangman's Noose to the scaffold crossbeam and cut off remaining rope. The rope should be stretched tight prior to cutting and only the
Rope Length should hang below the scaffold crossbeam.

8. Oil, check and verify that all mechanical parts of the Gallows (i.e. the hinges on the trap door and the release mechanism) are functioning properly.

9. Fill two (2) sandbags with the equivalent weight of the executee (half in each bag) and fasten the bags together at the tops. Open the Noose and slip it over one of the bags and tighten it at the point where the bags are fastened together. You are now ready to test the gallows.

10. Close the trap door and reset the trip mechanism. Stand on the door to make sure it is secure. Place the sandbags on the door and loop the rope in such a fashion as to prevent any crimping or catching. Test the gallows repeatedly (at least twelve [12] times) to insure proper mechanical operation of the trap door and that the rope is secure and will not break.

11. You are now prepared for the execution.

EXECUTION PROCEDURE

Note: The following procedure should be completed by a Certified Hanging Technician.

1. Install the Noose Sleeve and, if using a Mechanical Hangman's Knot, install the cover for the Knot.

2. Install the Body Restraint around the Executee's waist and tightly bind his wrists to the restraint. (His arms may be restrained either in the front or the back.) If necessary, utilize the Collapse Frame.

3. Bring the Executee to the Execution location and up the stairs to the scaffold. Remove the Collapse Frame, if utilized.

4. Place Executee on the trap door and conduct the legal formalities.

5. Bind the Executee's legs with the Leg Restraint. Place the Hood over the Executee's head, if used. Place the Hangman's Noose over the Executee's head and tighten snugly around his neck. Place the Hangman's Knot directly behind the Executee's left ear.

6. All Hanging Technicians shall leave the scaffold and the Executioner, on order from the Warden, shall release the trap door.

7. The Trap door shall open and the Executee shall drop. On order from the Warden some eight minutes after the release mechanism was thrown, the attending doctor shall examine the Executee for heart death.

8. After the pronouncement of death, the Hanging Technicians shall, while supporting the Executee, loosen and remove the Noose and Hood and set the Executee on the floor. Thereupon, the Hanging Technicians shall remove the Leg and Body Restraints. The Executee shall be placed in a body bag for removal.

EXECUTION PROTOCOL - EXECUTION BY HANGING

The following Special Protocol applies:

APPENDIX

1. DROP DISTANCE TABLE

Weight in Drop Weight in Drop
Pounds Distance Pounds Distance

120 or less........8' 1" 170................6' 0"
125................7'10" 175................5'11"
130................7' 7" 180................5' 9"
135................7' 4" 185................5' 7"
140................7' 1" 190................5' 6"
145................6' 9" 195................5' 5"
150................6' 7" 200................5' 4"
155................6' 6" 205................5' 2"
160................6' 4" 210................5' 1"
165................6' 2" 220 and over.......5' 0"


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Sounds like the longdrop, shit, how the hell do you execute people the wrong way? America digs itself into such PR problems.

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:
If they cant execute one person the right way,



They're fucking dead aren't they? Why do they wipe the site of a lethal injection with alcohol? Because of PC morons, that's why.


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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yeah your right, they are dead.

It just seems a little messy in my opinion. Why not just behead the man with an axe?


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6463346 -

they need to get that pro from singapore to help out.


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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Well, that's what happens when elderly, slightly overweight men are hung at the gallows


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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: Basilides]
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Not really.....it was a wrong rope calculation. You could even hang Rosie 'Odonnel, without her melon of a head falling off.....


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Well, at least Shi'ites weren't jeering. It's kinda sad really, executing Saddam and these guys is a major chapter in the history of Iraq and the goverment fucked it up twice.


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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:
You could even hang Rosie 'Odonnel, without her melon of a head falling off.....



And where's the fun in that?


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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
SirTripAlot said:
You could even hang Rosie 'Odonnel, without her melon of a head falling off.....



And where's the fun in that?



Have someone screaming Trump! Trump! Trump! in the background

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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Who cares dead's dead.


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:cool: Fair is Fair :devil:

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: zappaisgod]
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You actually made me laugh.........man its been along time


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6464670 -

[quoteIf they cant execute one person the right way, how can they effectivly rule over a populace?




I get the impression they are executing them correctly - as shi'te revenge killings who'se purpose is to strike fear into the sunni's. I don't buy the idea that these fuckups are "accidents".

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: SirTripAlot]
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If they cant execute one person the right way, how can they effectivly rule over a populace?

Because the executioner made a mistake in the rope length.....that somehow translates into an ineffective governing body?

:cuckoo:


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Don't be bogged down by your past
Don't be afraid of what lies in your future

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: niteowl]
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Certainly some aspect of it is inefficent if they hold that the most appropriate means of execution is by hanging. The Wild West was two-hundred years ago.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: fireworks_god]
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True for us.......not for them.

They are still in the "wild west" phase of their civilizational evolution. This is simply the way the Iraqis do things.

Nothing wrong with that.

These people did many executions themselves.
The people of Iraq needed to see these people executed.
This is simply a part of the healing process for the Iraqi people.

Claiming that.....having an execution not go as planned = shitty governing power

....is a fairly large flaw in logic IMO.


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Live for the moment you are in now
Don't be bogged down by your past
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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
These people did many executions themselves.
The people of Iraq needed to see these people executed.
This is simply a part of the healing process for the Iraqi people.



An eye for an eye, definitely, and I think that a lot of these individuals in this country are the type that need to see revenge in order for themselves to move on.

Quote:
Claiming that.....having an execution not go as planned = shitty governing power

....is a fairly large flaw in logic IMO.



I agree. Having a botched execution is nothing compared to fucking up urgent diaster relief for one's own people. I think the Iraqi government has a lot more to focus their energy on than measuring rope. :lol:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Islam encourages beheading ("smite their necks"). Maybe it was on purpose and they lied about it being an accident.

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didnt get the memo........... [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
True for us.......not for them.

They are still in the "wild west" phase of their civilizational evolution. This is simply the way the Iraqis do things.

Nothing wrong with that.




If they were in the wild west phase when the rest of the world was, no one would notice. But given that they're currently in the civil war phase, they're like what... only a 100 years away from the Civil Rights movement, and about 140 or so until they catch up to 2007?


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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

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Re: Looks like the Iraqis didn't get the memo........... [Re: niteowl]
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No. The whole thing is sloppy. Look at Saddam's execution for crying out loud. It seems that whatever that government touches, it dicks up; including giving to much slack, causing a mans head to pop off, during what should have been a relatively simple affair. If they consistently fuck up small details......what about the big ones??????????


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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