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Grifola frondosa is fruiting?!! (with pics)
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I had 3 colonized jars of G.frondosa on rye, a present of Owl, that i spawned into oak pasteurized sawdust. Colonized in 14-15 days at room temp(19°C about)..cold shocked for 7 days..put to fruit(misted couple a day and also with ultrasonic humidifier, left opened a bit of the zip of the green house for a better gar exchange)..and doesn't want to fruit!

I've never cultivated G.frondosa and hadn't time to read the chapter about it (if there is one) on Stamtes...so when i saw the block after different days i've seen this strange brownish/dark redish "thing"?

The surface really stinks but when i scratch a bit the block there's the sweet smell of mycelium.It's "colonizing" the block from the bottom (originally) to the top.

The surface has got points of strange secretions too.

Here some pics of monday:







Suggestions?

Edited by FreeSporePrints (12/19/06 03:27 AM)

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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after 1 week into the little fruiting chamber 95% humidity, 22°C, good exchange from the brow surface in some point are "emerging" some spots, really white, it seems mycelium..is the block fruiting? hope so..

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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Here the pics of the day after..around 90% humidity, 22-23°C, normal bulb lamp turned on different hours during the day and..

it seems to fruiting from the "spots" of yesterday!

The strange thing, as you see, there are a lot of drops over this primordia(?)..i've thought they were water but..it was like a secretion!

I blowed a bit over and this drops/bubble of secretions had broken..if you see in the detailed picture they create a lot of little "pits" over the surface of the mycelium.

Anyone can explain me what's happening?

In normal the dark redish colour of the mycelium? are normale this secretions?










Thank you all,
Fabio (is happy when the blocks fruit!) :sun:

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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Temperature falls to 16.5°C (i turned off the heater) humidity 90% but i'd like to mist over the block a couple a day, good air exchange.
Suggestions?










FAbio :sun:

Edited by FreeSporePrints (12/19/06 03:35 AM)

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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hmm its taking awhile but maybe it just takes awhile? looks like you are keeping good care of her though :smile:


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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: mattymonkey]
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:smile: Mushrooms are my way to re-link me to the (lost) universal Armony!

:sun::sun::sun::sun::sun::sun::sun::sun::sun::sun::sun::sun::sun::sun:

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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Hola Amigo
I worked like a slave so I don't have much time. Amigo your block seems to small. Maitake fruit better on bigger blocks (at least 6 Pds for very good flush). If it wants to fruit, you'll see first a little dark grey spot on the block. Soon becoming bigger. Maitake is not an easy one.
Good luck Friend

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: micololo2]
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Hola Compay,
do not worry :smile: After tomorrow i'll upload, perhaps, new pics of the block..the gray spot there were originally and the block stinked!! Then the gray spots became as you see in the first pics (dark redish), then appeared new white spots over this surface and then "something" with orange bubbles/droplets that now is growing (really slow)

Fabio!

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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Very nice...

Maitake is one of the more difficult species to fruit. Keep us updated.

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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Hummmmmmmmmm! Never seen Maitake growing like this. Good luck.

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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Mine did the same thing. I had them in a bin with an ultrasonic fogger for a long time, saw some growth like yours, then the white sclerotia (or whatever it is) turned dark brown.

I've now moved them to an humid bin with lower temperatures, but don't see any growth yet. Maybe I need to really cold shock or something. I've ordered Stamets book that covers Maitake and hopefully it has some helpful information.

I'll edit this and add some pics when I get home.

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Re: Grifola frondosa is fruiting?!! (with pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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got my fingers crossed for ya, looks like they're almost there!
any updates?


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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: pokermush]
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I know it looks like green/gray mold on pic #1 and #4, but it isn't mold. The dark brown parts have just turned gray.

Edited by pokermush (12/28/06 09:45 PM)

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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Werd to the wise. In the wild Maitake pins abort after moderate rain. Maybe a casing of somesort with moisture will help move things along?

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: pokermush]
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pokermush said:

I know it looks like green/gray mold on pic #1 and #4, but it isn't mold. The dark brown parts have just turned gray.


Awesome pins!

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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Thanks! :smile:

BTW, you probably can't tell size of the blocks from the pictures. They were made from 1 gal ziplock bags. The substrate is pine blend pellets + WBS.

Do you think these pins are aborted? I haven't seen any growth for 4 to 6 weeks. LOL I guess that's a stupid question  :crazy2:

They stalled while in open, humid air in a warm 75F to 80F room. A couple weeks ago I put them in the container pictured, placed them in 50F for about a week, now they are in 59F to 64F with natural indirect light. Is patience the best course here?

Edited by pokermush (12/29/06 12:48 AM)

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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Corporal Kielbasa said:
Werd to the wise. In the wild Maitake pins abort after moderate rain. Maybe a casing of somesort with moisture will help move things along?

Wait a minute... maitake sometimes fruits from underground, feeding on the roots, doesn't it? Maybe the tray/casing method would be better than blocks for maitake. Anyone tried that?

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: pokermush]
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Hi pokermush:
i've seen the micololo2 blocks and they doesn't appear like your and mines.

I've read that Grifola frondosa needs a long cold shock (i've let my block around 7-10 days in the fridge), thank nothing. Transferred in a small tube and increased temperature (21°C) and air exchange (left a bit open the lid of the tub 24/24 plus turned on the air pump a bit) the primordia started to grow.

shirley knott: Unlucky in these days i haven't access to my block..i haven't news of it from 23rd of December, i hope it feels good :P I'm afraid the water in the ultrasonic humidifier is finished :S, fortunately there's a quite good air exchange (i left quite half part of the zip of the mini green house opened)

Fabio :sun:

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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^Hope that it is doing well, I have fruited Grifola frondosa before and it looked nothing like any of the pics so far. I only had 2 blocks out of 12 fruit, the rest became smelly and contaminated.
And pokermush, that definitely does look like mold on the last pic, it's green! Is it somehting with the colors/my monitor? Those pins are nice too, but I believe they have aborted, have they not?

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: LentinulaEdodes]
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A few quick notes, from my previous notebook (I recommend everyone serious about growing keep one!), I believe 52F-62F to be the best fruiting temps. Temps must be constant with little fluctuation, and RH should be fairly low during fruitbody development. Polypores generally require less RH, and this is no exception. I found 70%-80% RH to be the best for fruitbody development once primordia have formed and begun maturing. Also, it looks as though you completely removed the bag from your blocks, which I wouldn't do with Maitake. Too much moisture is lost and aborts will be prevelant. Good luck!

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: LentinulaEdodes]
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hi there LentinulaEdodes,
thanks for your suggestions. we've left the bags because they were full of secretions!

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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Hello FSP, nice to meet you. By secretions you mean liquid? I had this too and it was fixed by cutting small holes in the bottom of each bag for drainage.

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: LentinulaEdodes]
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Yes means a kind of antibiotical liquid created from the mycelium that could be auto-suffucant.I preferred left the bag and make a good cold shower every 2 days (RogerRabbit tip for Lentinus edodes blocks..)

Fabio :smile:

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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^^ I see. Sounds good, how are yours coming along?

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: LentinulaEdodes]
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My english sucks..what are you asking me?

Actually i haven't access to them from 23rd of December, i hope they're quite good but is difficult.

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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No worries, I was asking how your Maitake block was doing. I see though, no acess, please update us when you can!!

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: LentinulaEdodes]
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LentinulaEdodes said:
^Hope that it is doing well, I have fruited Grifola frondosa before and it looked nothing like any of the pics so far.  I only had 2 blocks out of 12 fruit, the rest became smelly and contaminated.
And pokermush, that definitely does look like mold on the last pic, it's green!  Is it somehting with the colors/my monitor?  Those pins are nice too, but I believe they have aborted, have they not?


Hi Lent,
I'm sure it isn't mold. It is a gray color, and close-up it doesn't look like mold at all. Something about the picture just makes it look a bit like mold.

I removed the bags after reading the advice in this thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6282292#6282292

I may have killed the maitake in the picture though. :frown: I put them outside on New Year's Eve to cold shock and they froze. Oh well, may just turn in to an interesting experiment.

I have a couple smaller blocks that are looking really good, and these I am incubating in a bin that can also serve as a fruiting chamber without disturbing it too much. I can just move the bin to a colder place when it's ready. I'll post results when I have them.

Edited by pokermush (01/01/07 11:16 PM)

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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i've seen finally my Grifola frondosa block and unlucky the primordia change a bit the color from white to orange to the base..but they're grew very little. Is normal? i don't think..

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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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Great Pics. I am just starting out with maitake. I have order LC and inoculated some grain spawn, but is slow growing and I hear that after the jars are colonized it has to sit in a dormant period for 30 days before shocking and fruiting. Have you guys had any experience with these procedures and what are your suggestions for moving to bulk substrate in a 2 gal ziplock, whether or not a casing layer is needed or any other tips I might need to know before I continue....Thanks


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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: MattyBear]
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This thread is over six years old, I'm not sure if most of these people are still around...

Check out this thread, it's a little more recent. 

Maybe this one too.  Good luck!


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Re: A Grifola frondosa oak block that stinks..(w/ pics) [Re: Forrester]
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Thx


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Here's what we can do to change the world right now, to a better ride. Take all the money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead, spend it feeding, clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over , not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.

  ~Bill Hicks~


Looking to build up a print library

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