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"Nigger"
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Hi everyone,

I am grateful to have this board where free speech is of utmost priority, so I feel that it would be a good place to discuss the word "nigger." Admittedly, it was the recent Kramer outburst that got me thinking about it; why should those who shout that word be punished for their actions? In fact, why is the word "nigger" even legal if every time it is said, derogatory or not, by the "wrong" people it causes an outrage amongst the black community?

Personally, I feel that black people who get offended by words are as childlike and immature as the one who uses the word "nigger" in contempt. What do you folks feel about it?


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Re: "Nigger" *DELETED* [Re: daba]
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Re: "Nigger" [Re: blink]
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Yes, he said it out of spite, but why should he owe an apology (and money) because of it? What about the black folks who called him a "cracker" afterwards? Wasn't that said out of hatred and anger as well? It was, it's just that Richards didn't choose to take offense (or make a big enough fuss about it).

If M.R. owes an apology to the black people for his outburst, then equally the black people owe an apology to M.R.

What I've come to conclude is this: out of all minorities, I've noticed that black people bitch the most about racial slurs. I'm not trying to generalize here but the impression I get is that they nag everyone so much that they're much like the terrorists or muslim extremists: idiotic attention-whores. The world won't respect you if you scream and whine like a baby. The world will respect you through your accomplishments.

Let's be honest here. Talk politics or race to a black person who isn't well-off and chances are you're going to hear crap about the "white man putting us down."


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Re: "Nigger" [Re: daba]
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Anyone who takes offense at words is an insecure buffoon.


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Re: "Nigger" [Re: daba]
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> Personally, I feel that black people who get offended by words are as childlike and immature as the one who

Why stop with black people? I have seen plenty of non-black people get offended by words and act in a childlike and immature manner as a result. It is part of being human and has nothing to do with skin color.

> Talk politics or race to a black person who isn't well-off and chances are you're going to hear crap about the "white man putting us down."

Talk politics or race to any person who isn't well-off and chances are you're going to hear crap about the rich keeping the poor down. Do a search on these forums for example after example. Again, skin color has nothing to do with this, it is human nature.

> Michael Richard's use of nigger was meant to damaging. He said it out of hate and anger.

Sounds to me as if it were out of frustration and anger, not hate. Big difference. Kind of like taking God's name in vain when one gets frustrated... do we really mean what we are saying, or simply venting.


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Re: "Nigger" [Re: Seuss]
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I agree with your statements, Seuss. My feathers were just ruffled when I heard that the black people targeted by Richards were demanding money.


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Re: "Nigger" [Re: daba]
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Words, are just that, words. People these days tend to make too much of a deal over them. IMO

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Re: "Nigger" [Re: Seuss]
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I agree with much of what you say, but my parents are not, and never have been well off, and when I talk to them about the government, they are thankful to live in this country. They do not put down the government that has given them a life better than they would find on 4/5ths of the planet. They do still criticize it however, and there is a difference.

I think this Richards thing is ridiculous, just like the Gibson incident. I thought your country had free speech, I think it is just an illusion though.

I knew the second I saw the tape, money would be demanded......I am bothered by how often I am right about these things.


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Re: "Nigger" [Re: daba]
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I've never been one to worry about words causing harm to someone. I think luvdemshrooms said it best above.

If there is a consensus among the black community that says "nigger" needs to stop being used, I expect them to stop using it as well.

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Re: "Nigger" [Re: Hank, FTW]
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He shouldn't pay them a dime.


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Re: "Nigger" [Re: daba]
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Admittedly, it was the recent Kramer outburst that got me thinking about it; why should those who shout that word be punished for their actions?


If they're going to bill me for "freedom," I should have the ability to say and think whatever I want. It's not so in neo-con USA. The same jerks who started this war in Iraq are for immigration and against "racism."


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Re: "Nigger" [Re: daba]
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daba said:
Yes, he said it out of spite, but why should he owe an apology (and money) because of it? What about the black folks who called him a "cracker" afterwards? Wasn't that said out of hatred and anger as well? It was, it's just that Richards didn't choose to take offense (or make a big enough fuss about it).


He shouldn't owe money, that's just some people trying to sponge off of his wealth. As far as an apology goes, there is no doubt that if he has any interest in A) trying to save his career or B) trying to come to terms with his own obvious racial issues he owes those guys and the community in general at least a big apology. The man totally lost his cool, and not only did he use the word nigger. What I think was worse than his use of the dreaded "n-word" was when he said something to the effect of "50 years ago you would be hanging from a tree with a pitchfork in your ass." That right there underlines why "nigger" isn't just another word. It's like MR was saying that those black dudes were lucky that they were even allowed to be alive. That is some deep old school hatred, and you can't break that kind of bullshit out in the public without there being an outcry.

And for damn good reason. While this whole affair is a media circus, I'm glad people get pissed when the sort of bullshit ideology that ran rampant in Jim Crow era south rears its hideous head. When a celebrity of public note espouses the idea that black people are inferior and things were better when they were violently suppressed, most people get pissed off and revel in pointing out that he is full of shit. And I do too, for that matter.

Fuck Michael Richards. If he is going to suggest we should re-introduce the lynch mob into society he deserves all the slander that can be dished out.

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If M.R. owes an apology to the black people for his outburst, then equally the black people owe an apology to M.R.



What do they have to apologize for? "I'm sorry you're insane?" Those dudes don't owe him an apology.

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What I've come to conclude is this: out of all minorities, I've noticed that black people bitch the most about racial slurs. I'm not trying to generalize here but the impression I get is that they nag everyone so much that they're much like the terrorists or muslim extremists: idiotic attention-whores. The world won't respect you if you scream and whine like a baby. The world will respect you through your accomplishments.


Where on earth are you getting this? You are slipping on some shakey foundations my friend. You say you don't mean to generalize but what the hell else can you call anything in this statement. Black people bitch the most about racial slurs? Maybe so, but that's not really surprising considering they deal with the most racism. Also ironic in that you started this thread in order to bitch about racial slurs yourself.

How you made the leap from Black people to Islamic terrorists is beyond my ability to diagnose. You're going to need professional help there buddy.

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Let's be honest here. Talk politics or race to a black person who isn't well-off and chances are you're going to hear crap about the "white man putting us down."


Let's be honest here. You don't have any black friends do you? Look, I'm being kind of a jerk but the latter half of this post pisses me off. You're making generalizations that are based on black people you've seen on TV. It just seems really obvious that if you had contact and dialogue with some real black people you would begin to understand that they have different opinions. Some of them are stupid assholes, and some of them are way more thoughtful than you and I will ever be.

I urge you to have a heartfelt discussion about race with someone of color, as scary as it may be, and try and broaden your perspective on what you think black people think. Because a lot of what you're saying is ignorant.


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Re: "Nigger" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
Anyone who takes offense at words is an insecure buffoon.


Sticks and stones, eh?

Well let me put that argument to the mods then. If I came in here and replied to your post by saying (and this is purely hypothetical for the sake of argument) "go fuck yourself you white ass pussy piece of shit," I would earn myself at the least a temporary ban from PA&L.

If the argument stands that words are harmless then it shouldn't be this way and this forum should be flame friendly. What do you think?


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Re: "Nigger" [Re: gluke bastid]
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The reason there are rules against flaming here is that it impedes the progress of serious debate.

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Re: "Nigger" [Re: Redstorm]
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gluke bastid: I'm not making generalizations based off of TV. I'm making them based off of observations I've made at my university.

There's a society called BAMN here: By Any Means Necessary. They're a "minority" activists group and every time I hear them make a public outcry it's about the black community. They even got on the front page of the university newspaper because someone was called a "nigger" and began announcing it to the world. It's as if, whatever the argument might be, if you have a slip of tongue and call the black person a "nigger," they are absolved of all wrongdoings and all the blame suddenly rests on you.

What's more, there are always protests about black underrepresentation in the engineering community. They claim only 1 black person made it in the engineering school last year. What propaganda! How many black people applied to the college of engineering in the first place? With what qualifications? What if they simply weren't good enough to cut it? I know for a fact Berkeley admits without being biased to race; so why should we agree to let in a disproportionate amount of blacks because they are "underrepresented"?

There have also been numerous demonstrations on campus by "underrepresented minorities" but during my four years here, I have only seen black people protest out in public. They want to let the whole world know of their "suffering" and are seeking change. But the change must first some from within. Yea, the US prisons are mostly filled with blacks and there's a reason for that. There are other immigrant races here that are just as impoverished as blacks, yet their children can be successful. However, I'm not the one to preach how blacks should raise their kids, I'm just emphasizing that they need to change before they expect the world to help them.


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Re: "Nigger" [Re: daba]
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I feel that anyone can be a "nigger" because it really just means ignorant. So fuck it, I'll call you a nigger whatever color you are if I think you're a fucking idiot.


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Re: "Nigger" [Re: daba]
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I've been called a cracker a couple times in this forum only to feel enjoyment at causing enough torment to someone where they have to resort to racist name calling. I've called both black people and white people niggers. Black people can't handle it and all white people I've known aren't intimadated, obviously, because they know they are worth something.


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Re: "Nigger" [Re: Luddite]
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:lol:
me too

if a black man calls a white man a white cunt the white man will reply with 'who sir are you callin a cunt'?

if a white man calls a black man a black cunt he be aksin 'who you be calling black nigga'?

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Re: "Nigger" [Re: quiver]
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I think "vanilla face" does pretty well for white people.

If people get offended by people saying nigger then just dont say nigger. Its not that hard, not that big a deal. There's still plenty other words you can say. Its not like nigger's such a great word to say anyway. Id rather say "minge" or "twathead" or "breastwit".


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Re: "Nigger" [Re: gluke bastid]
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Sticks and stones, eh?


Yup.

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go fuck yourself you white ass pussy piece of shit


How offensive! Oh wait.... it's not.

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What do you think?


I think the no flame rule is both silly and un-natural.


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