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Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread * 1
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hello there. this is my first time on the shroomery. its good to be in a community that everyone can just be earthen.

I wanted to know if anyone out there could please instruct me on the best methods for preparing amanita muscaria mushrooms to trip on? i dont know if this is the right place to post this, and if it is not, then please move this post admin!

any help at all regarding these magical machines would be welcome. i need to know how to erase the "poison" i have been reading about and the best method to do so. if there are any other precautions or any info that I should know about preparing these fungi missiles, please let me know!

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: Kold_Fusion]
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can someone please help me out? or even possibly send a link? thanks

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: Kold_Fusion]
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dude those are NOT fun, trust me!! They will make you delirious(and not in a good way) and will make you physically sick. generally it will be as though you've been poisoned, cause you have it is stated by the FDA as a poison and believe me it is

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: shroom_me]
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this isn't the best site to become informed on amanita muscaria. look it up on www.erowid.org , and you'll know everything you need to.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: ToTheExtreme, LOL]
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Agreed.  If it was me I'd use the garbage can tek to prepare them :laugh:.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: Shroomgobbler]
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Make cheese eggs with sage,wormwood,cannabis seriosuly thats a great way and there is no such thing as a best way. Plus this way taste good and you can throw other stuff for flavor but dont use meat or duretic stuff. tho eating em dried works mighty fine as well. a really nice way is making eggs/or eating them raw dried, then making tea, then after drinking tea smokeing a bowl of amanita,cannabis,and wormwood and if you dare salvia leaves not extract


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

Edited by thedudenj (11/05/06 02:29 PM)

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: thedudenj]
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OK, first of all.... I know its a poison, but I have read that you can erase or deactivate the poison at certain temperatures. second of all, please do NOT leave an "opinion" i need the facts. opinions are useless to me.

alright, from there. People have eaten, and had AMAZING experiences from these types of shrooms. like i said, there is a BEST way to prepare them, that deactivates the poison. If you can even provide a GOOD way to do it, then by all means, help me out!

I am trying to order some caps ONLINE, they are grade A caps, and I just need someone that is knowledgeable. thank you for your time! have fun with your Psychonaut experience!

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: Kold_Fusion]
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well then with that response i call you a jackass and refuse you my aid and blessings with amanita. im probably the most experienced person on this site with amanita. so bye bye my only regret is i gave you this much info and that you can read my former posts on the subject. any who i dont consider either of them poison Ibotenic acid is just way harsher(but more hallucinogenic acting on the NMDA receptors) and its not deactivated its convert in to Muscimol(GABA receptors). tho from experience i have to say Muscarine is lost a bit in the drying and that is a very desirable active in them. Ibotenic acid is more Trippy you could say. but thats all the info im giving you. bye now im not gona curse you but im not gona give you blessings which is almost as bad.  :grin:


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

Edited by thedudenj (11/05/06 06:58 PM)

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: thedudenj]
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hey man, take it easy. like I asked for, thank you for leaving me some facts. obviously i am a noob and I should be treated as such. dont take any offense man, I am just looking for straightforward answers. thanks for helping me out in the ways that you did. you gave me some useful facts.

and when you say "There is no best way" to prepare them, I am sure there
are some really great ways. one said bake them in the oven until juices come out, and another said roasting them over an open flame, etc. I just dont know the details for any recipes. I would like to do something other than eggs if possible.

Here are some things I would love to do, but dont know how to conjure up at this point.

Tea, or some kind of roasted shroom in the oven product. or if you kno w about open flame roasting, that would all be great. but I think that I want to make a tea most of all. and thank you for your time.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: Kold_Fusion]
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as i said eating them and drinking milk is another great way trust me tho making cheese eggs is probably one of the strongest ways. another way is crushing it by hand or mortar then adding 3 parts amanita 1 part cream and eat/drinking that. If they are dried no juices will come out in an oven and if they were fresh and you cooked em til juices were to come out you would most certainly want to collect those juices people roast it over an open flame to get the juice aka the actives out so they are just edible with out effects as i said the eggs method is the most reliable tea can give iffy results. if you have tea you should eat some too. Cheese eggs hold in all the good stuff theres the dairy interaction, it taste good,and just all around kicks ass


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Soma is the Spirit of God [Re: thedudenj]
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Hi, pardon, but I cut this from a previous post I made, in another thread... two years ago. Anyway, I first ate Soma in 1980. After a long break, I started picking, and eating Soma again, in 2004. I've eaten it maybe 25 times. I cultivate psilocybe cyanescens and salvia divinorum, so it's not my only Guide, but I believe that Amanita is equal to either one of the other allies, in some ways, "better."

There are good books about Amanita Muscaria by Donald Teeter, James Arthur, Clark Heinrich, and Hawk and Venus, and of course Wasson -- although he never had success with eating Soma. Each of these, I believe, convey important information about the use of Soma. I also believe that "The Quest of the Holy Grail", written in about 1225, describes the Spiritual preparation necessary to effectively eat the Supersubstantial Bread, and to gain enlightment on that path.

I believe that Soma is the Holy Grail, for many, many, many reasons. It is also the true sacrament of the Roman Catholic Church. And if you don't -- that's cool. Different strokes for different folks as they say. I'm just an egotistical asshole, mid 40's married, three kids, mortgage, the usual bullshit.

My preferred method is to eat small pieces of dried Soma, washed down with milk. As wisely recommended by Donald Teeter, I refrain from carbonated beverages before, during and after the Soma experience, as this can increase the potential for vomiting. The only time I've ever vomited after eating Soma was when I washed it down with a carbonated soft drink. My typical dose is from a quarter to a half ounce. I started small and found that for myself only, the threshold is about 1/2 ounce, dried. That's 13 grams, but 10 is better for the first time.

Tea is prepared by putting the dried caps in a cup, and then pouring boiling water over the Soma and letting it steep. The resulting tea is then strained, and honey and milk mixed with the clear filtered tea. (The rehydrated mushrooms are tossed out or mixed in with soil near a compatible tree.)

Soma, for me, seems to vary in intensity quite a bit. Usually, the first sign of effect is a slight trembling to my hands. Hawk and Venus have recommended Manganese (not Magnesium) to help with the trembling. But, I haven't been bothered to the point where I have felt that was needed. On one occasion, the twitches and convulsions were a bit frightening (having gone beyond the hands to the legs and arms).

However, on that occasion -- the "high" point of my life, when I heard the word of God, which is, coincidentally "God" -- I wasn't concerned because I realized that Soma would not hurt me, because Soma is the Counselor and the Protector, sent from Heaven.

Other times, Soma doesn't seem to have much of an affect, at all. But that's part of the Mystery.

"The bus came by, and I got on, That's when it all began..."

Hail, Soma!



Soma is the Spirit of God.

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Re: Soma is the Spirit of God [Re: BobHumboldt]
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you should try the cheese egg method it works better then eating with milk but eating with milk i rate second and tea third and yeah man it makes you one with god i have poeple who eat it give a blessing and eat it as the body of christ and the milk as the blood of christ and it works way better and is more healing


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: Soma is the Spirit of God [Re: thedudenj]
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boil 30 grams dried amanita in water for 20 minutes
drink
go pee
drink said pee
repeat as desired

I have tried 15 grams and no buzz waste of time

Edited by cpw1971 (11/07/06 07:59 PM)

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Re: Soma is the Spirit of God [Re: cpw1971]
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ha ha 5grams for me and who ever i give it to is always more then enough unless the person has no faith then they just get sick. I use it as Christian sacrament. as long as the proper blessing and urinary retention is done and optional fasting it works fine. im starting to think people have trouble with amanita because amanita's effects weight alot heavily on the status of ones soul. I split 2 caps (3-4 inch diameter not much at all maybe weighing 6 grams total} with a good friend of mine as in total each was one cap but we tore them down the middle and they effects were one of the most profound out of all of my experience she has a huge soul and is very one with god tho and has great healing power. a good deal of the effects is your ability to use it. i would say just like ayahuasca amanita arent much for Recreational use more so Re-creational lol in the hands of someone who knows what their doing but i have to say in the past i got some good kicks out of em on the recreational scale.


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

Edited by thedudenj (11/07/06 09:01 PM)

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: Kold_Fusion]
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Personally I dry in an oven on lowest setting with door slightly ajar 170-200F is what you should look for. (I'm still playing about with this though, seems to work great with fan-assisted ovens but at my new house its an old skool oven and its a struggle, so I combine with running a fan over the cut up mushroom before/after the oven)

I then put the dried Soma into water and brew just below a simmer (again 170-200F) for 30-60 mins (a digi thermometer is good). This heat turns the nast ibotenic acid into muscimol. Too much heat will destroy the compounds however.

Drink one cup, wait an hour or two, if you don't feel anything drink another and so on until you feel it.

Don't overdo the dosing, overdo it once and you'll probably never want to do it again. Buildup slowly, aim for 1 medium or 1/4 to 1/2 a large cap per dose. Personally I'd aim for 1/4 a large cap every hour till it hits you (you will know!).

Have a spotter with you


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: UK Explorer]
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i love your dosage advice but i will still stand by eating em fresh, tho i have nothing against dried i will say drying them just loses a bit of their power.


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: thedudenj]
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thedudenj said:
i love your dosage advice but i will still stand by eating em fresh, tho i have nothing against dried i will say drying them just loses a bit of their power.


I've always been to afraid to eat them fresh.i dry them over a heater for a couple of days until they are crispy dry.
Ive eaten them dry,made tea with them and I've also tried the urine method,and all i have ever got is a really nice relaxed felling.
Ive eaten as much as 7 large caps with only this mild feeling.

last week i found 2 perfect specimens under a Scots pine,(this is the first time I've found them under a Scots pine,its usually silver birch)it just seemed like the right thing to do at the time but i sat down under the tree that i picked them and ate a little bite of one.
i was to afraid to eat anymore but i did feel the usual relaxation afterwards with only a small bite.

i think I'm going to have to buy that book by the guy hawk,because Ive tried these shrooms every year for the past 15 years and i think i have to get it out my system and feel the true force of the soma.(or maybe Ive already felt it and just don't know how to use it).

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: shponglecybin]
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yeah i think to feel it truly you gota eat em fresh and the effects are almost felt instantly then just get stronger, til OBE and its a gentle transition into the hot dream. i dont really think hawk is the shit but what even. i eat em and love em and share my knowledge as well as my healing stylings


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: thedudenj]
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thedudenj said:
yeah i think to feel it truly you gota eat em fresh and the effects are almost felt instantly then just get stronger, til OBE and its a gentle transition into the hot dream. i dont really think hawk is the shit but what even. i eat em and love em and share my knowledge as well as my healing stylings


thanks for that,i think your right,I'm just going to have to sit down with a few fresh ones some day and eat slowly until i get what I'm looking for.
Ive just never had the balls to do it before.
i must say tho they are quite tasty,like strong vegetable and chicken stalk,i could still taste it later on that night after an Indian curry,lol.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: shponglecybin]
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i dont suggest a few only one. any who for anyone thats afraid of  eating a raw one at once.  try peeling off the top layer of skin and just eating that save the rest for later. it peels off like a sticker. as i was pelling it i kept thinking hmm this feels familier and the like a couple weeks later how its like sticker.

when done right you dont get nausea. especially when using the just the skin. i didnt eat just skin til a couple months ago. I will say that eating just the skin will leave you wishing you ate more, but i pose eating it as just a test.


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: Kold_Fusion]
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I take a dried ounce straight right before sleep.

Leads to powerful OBEs, trance-like states, and lucid dreaming where I'm able to talk to my own subconscious.

This might be a high dose for you, though.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: deCypher]
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The Cypher said:
I take a dried ounce straight right before sleep.

Leads to powerful OBEs, trance-like states, and lucid dreaming where I'm able to talk to my own subconscious.

This might be a high dose for you, though.


ive read about folk doing it for the experience while sleeping but the only reason ive not tried it is that my dreams are crazy enough,especially when ive been using shrooms,aya or spice,or even just eating cheese or something before i go to sleep.i think when using most types of psychoactive drugs you can get related dreams for a while afterwards.
but then again i still have about 15 dried grams left so i may try it just to see how different it is from the usual experience i get with them.


and if i get anymore this season i will try peeling the skin of fresh and eating that,but they seem to be on there way out now up here.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: shponglecybin]
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I much prefer the dream trip with Amanitas to the waking one.  Something about it just blends perfectly.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: thedudenj]
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If you wish to go raw perhaps mix my method with it? Eat a little, wait an hour, eat some more, wait an hour until you feel it.

These mushrooms are very hit and miss so I feel this is a great way to safely build up to the correct dose (so long as you dont overdo the first dose of course!).

May i just say I have had a PROFOUND spiritual/religious experience by drying and then brewing with NO nausea/sickness/shaking.

I was led to believe that this heating/drying created more muscimol which in turn makes the effects stronger.

I have tried sauteeing the raw mushroom and having with my food but so far this has only produced very mild effects with massive nausea.

Each to their own of course and I'm certainly not trying to preach this or that way is better, basically I'd say experiment with different methods till you find one that suits.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - Best Preparation Methods Thread [Re: UK Explorer]
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yeah the best experiences are when you got get nausea, nauesea is you fighting the message of the trip


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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