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Ulmarius dark and almost firm as Shiitake
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Wrong date on the photo

This can be done outdoor with a temp. lower than 14C. The only problem I've face with this mush. is when the temp. is higher drosophila flies let their eggs in the sub. resulting in a good flush of warms. Ulmarius definitely attract drosophila flies.

Edited by micololo2 (10/19/06 08:43 PM)

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Re: Ulmarius dark and almost firm as Shiitake [Re: micololo2]
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Those look good.

I've used a very fine outdoor cloth over substrate blocks before to keep flies off. They sell it in garden centers to lay on top of tomato and other vegetables to keep the bugs off. They usually call it 'row cover'. See if you can find it where you live. If not, I'll give you a link to a US supplier.
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Re: Ulmarius dark and almost firm as Shiitake [Re: RogerRabbit]
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I believe the stuff that menas Rodger is a kind of cloth used also in Italy to cover the fields during the winter season to prevent the "burnt" with the cold of the little plants. Is a kind of or it is made by Tyvek. You can use it a very lot times. This permits to the light and to the oxygen to pass and keep also the moisture rate high.

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Re: Ulmarius dark and almost firm as Shiitake [Re: FreeSporePrints]
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Yep, its used here in the spring and raises the temperature a few degrees to prevent light frosts from damaging crops like lettuce. Its woven polyester, very light, easily tears.

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Re: Ulmarius dark and almost firm as Shiitake [Re: jlocke85]
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Wow thats pretty cool. Interesting that I didn't have any trouble with flies on my outdoor logs this summer with ulmarius. Curious to see if mine change color this winter. Excellent tasting shroom
when grown outdoors on oak!


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Re: Ulmarius dark and almost firm as Shiitake [Re: shroomaker]
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Shroomaker,

Do you grow Ulmarius on real logs or artificial logs?
Where do you live to grow Ulmarius in winter outdoor?
Growing oyster like mush on artificial logs outdoor is a steady fight against flies.
Here within 3 weeks it will impossible for growing, snow is near.

Thanks guys for the tip
Have a good day

Edited by micololo2 (10/20/06 12:23 PM)

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Re: Ulmarius dark and almost firm as Shiitake [Re: micololo2]
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micolo2,

I live on the NE Fl coast and have three flushes on these logs this summer and didn't notice any flies. I suspect they will do fine this winter as I had great success with shittake last winter. I
only
needed to cover the logs when it got pretty cold and move to partial sun. However, what works in FL probably won't work in the real cold!

I buried these logs about 5" and noticed a great deal of mycellium in the surrounding soil when I moved them. I think they really benefit from neighboring plants because FP calls them the Garden Oyster and claims they have some kind of symbiotic relationship with plants.



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Re: Ulmarius dark and almost firm as Shiitake [Re: shroomaker]
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Very Nice shrooms Shroomaker.
Maybe because the mycelium is protected by the bark that there are no flies.
It's curious, my Ulamrius are white only when they grow inside with less lighting. More light = more dark brown.
Yours are outdoor with a lot of light and they still white.
Are you sure that they are Ulmarius. They're maybe white Oyster?
Here in +- 45 days it'll be around -25 during nights

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Re: Ulmarius dark and almost firm as Shiitake [Re: micololo2]
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Yes, I am sure they are Ulmarius as the spawn was guaranteed to be thus from FP where I obtained it. Also, closer observation of the cap confirms this.


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Re: Ulmarius dark and almost firm as Shiitake [Re: shroomaker]
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Color seems to vary with strain. These are wild ones from near Luirojärvi northern Finland growing on live birch. (Early October, about +0 celcius, -7 a week earlier.)





I'm about 90% sure these are ulmarius. Other opinions? (No spore print but I did collect some dirty wood chips with something which grows fast on alder chips+bran.)

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Re: Ulmarius dark and almost firm as Shiitake [Re: rip]
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Those look more like pics I have seen Tessatulus (sp?) to me but not sure . But yes, I think you are right that color does vary with strain even in the same species.


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Re: Ulmarius dark and almost firm as Shiitake [Re: shroomaker]
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(Tessellatus or tessulatus.)
Nearest match in the 20 years old (Ryman, Holmåsen: Svamper en falthandbok / Suomen ja pohjolan sienet) field guide I use is Lyophyllum ulmarium. Lyophyllum ulmarium (Bull. ex Fr.) Kühn = Hypsizygus ulmarius = Pleurotus ulmarius. After some Googling it looks like you are correct and both the species in the guide and my samples are closer to tessellatus. But I'm definitely not an expert.

[url=http://www.messiah.edu/Oakes/fungi_on_wood/gilled%20fungi/species%20pages/Hypsizygus%20ulmarius.htm]
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"A number of field guides report this species as H.
tessellatus which is apparently in error. Redhead indicates that
H. tessellatus has smaller caps than H. ulmarius, grows in
dense clusters, and has a pattern of round spots on the cap
surface. H. tessellatus is grown in Asia and marketed in this
country as the "Beech Mushroom" or as hon-shimeji."

The image of "Lyophyllum ulmarium" in (Ryman, Holmåsen) does have the pattern of round spots, which in these specimens was not visible.

I'll have to try cultivating it and see what happens. (With my current skills, a crop of mold or Fomes fomenticus or something like that is possile....)

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